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| maddog67 |
 Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: the next generation (fucked up or being fuked over? |
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hey i am part of the next generation i am currently in the eigth grade and i have been noticing that in the last two years the governement or education department has been setting more and more kids up to fail.
for an example for the last well since school has began in north carolina there has never been a mandatet computer conmpetency test and nor has it been a graduation requirement.(i can understand this in todays scoiety being necesary but they do not teach us the computer and buisness classes at school but they expect an 13 to 15 year old middle school student how to fillout a tax return and order buisness suplies)it is the fact that they dont teach it that realy makes no sence but the people handing these tests and making them requirerments dont actualy take these tests them selves.
and now i am having to take an E.O.G end of grade test i hhave been spending a year learning about differnet things and 2 days reviewing them so i have done 2 hours of review on a years worth of grasping and strugling with concepts and tomorow i have to pass a test that decides wether i advance in a grad or not actualy 3 for the next three days anyway what realy pisses me off is that they have just this year decided to take the unlimeted time off of out tests and limit us to 3 hours each it seems that i have been set up to fail and so have my peers so what is your opinion on todays generation .but think about wether or not they are beeing set up by there own governement to fail or are just a big failure .and think about what your generation has left us(GLOBAL WARMING,GASOLINE SHORTAGE,ALTERNATE ENERGY.)
DO U THINK THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS BEEN FAIR
p.s. we have 240 minutes per test science english and math and we have 80 problems (3 minutes per problem)we are doing complex algebraic equations mind u.
srry for the long post but i feel i must be heard in some form
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| Pendragon |
| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 3:53 am Post subject: |
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Let's broaden the scope of this question.
The generation that is now growing up (end 1970s, 1980s, 1990s) is presented with several issues that we'll have to solve somehow.
- population aging: Especially in Japan and Europe, to some extent in the US, the upcoming generation is much smaller than the generation of their parents. This means few people will have to pay for the pensions, healthcare etc of a lot of elderly people. This is a new situation, it has never occured before. Pensions and old-age care is a relatively new thing, people grow older and therefore need care for longer periods of time (it's easy to care for someone who lives till age 70, that's only 5 years after the pension age; people who live till 85 are a different story); and the size differences of the generations is entirely new in modern times. So this will be a big challenge for 'us'.
- global warming: if there are any consequences from global warming yet (I don't know) then at least they're hardly noticable, we're certainly not forced yet to spend big sums to solve urgent issues of climate change. The upcoming generation may very well face such issues. If 'we' inherit the bulk of this problem then solving it may very well decrease our standard of living significantly
- end of cheap oil: the 20th century was a cheap oil bonanza, even at the height of the Oil Crisis in the 70s. It made economic development much easier to achieve. The next generation will have to find alternatives, which may be expensive and difficult to realize. Again, this could mean a significantly lower standard of living.
The burden of these problems could be made lighter if the present generations chose to share it. Partly they do, but it seems completely inadequate so far. The babyboomers still love their gas-guzzling SUV's, and only in few countries they're willing to give up early retirement. Some countries (you know who you are  ) are still unwilling to make any sizable investment in alternative (non-oil, low co-2 emission) energy sources.
Ofcourse I'm generalizing if I'm attributing these problems solely to "the babyboomers", those who are now trying to solve this future problems are often of that generation as well. But still, as a generation they could do a lot more to help out. Problem is: at the moment "the babyboomers" still have say half or more of the votes in most countries, certainly in Europe and Japan, while only the oldest ones of the next generation can vote yet. So the older generation has the power to say 'no' to sharing the burden. |
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| Holmes |
| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| maddog67 |
| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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i think that maybe also that todays sociey is fucked up.
how can some1 possibly promote such dumbness and stupidity.
has any1 here actualy listened to todays supposed faourite kind of music amoongst kids(RAP) i have never heard such an atrosity how can some1's grammar be so bad.and how society is promoting the white collar man and demoting all form of morals to be evil and that is making every1 greedy just contributing and contributing to todays fucked up society,
this planet has been built on the back of the blue collar man and he is being put down.that is a shame.
but i think that society is being both fucked up from the inside to influence the outside people to turn towards the fucked up social values and imoral behaviours.
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| Selene |
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Thank you Holmes for the links
The book The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, is interesting
I'm from the UK so i don't have much knowledge but i do wonder if the same thing is happening here of the American education system.
The article from one of your links by Dr. Samuel L. Blumenfeld states
Anyone who has had any lingering hope that what the educators have been doing is a result of error, accident, or stupidity will be shocked by the way American social engineers have systematically gone about destroying the intellect of millions of American children for the purpose of leading the American people into a socialist world government controlled by behavioral and social scientists.
I have felt increasingly uncomfortable with the education system in the UK because of the way there is incredible pressure for all children of a particular age to have reached the same level in all their subjects and if they don't they are regarded as failures of not quite hitting the mark.
It seems in the education system there is no room for individuality where freedom is allowed for exploring the subjects which interest a youngster or allow them to learn at their own pace.
The education system, and in America as well it seems seems to be one with a definite intent to put children off learning and giving most of the kids no choice other than to fail.
These kids then go through their lives with the idea they are failures and only good as menial factory fodder.
And i wonder if this is the reason behind this ploy to destroy the appeal of learning in youngsters. Is the New World Order hoping for the next generation to have lost the ability to inquire and question their leaders to become a deflated automaton workforce to pump up the coffers so the greedy buggers at the top can cream off a growing industry.
Major companies are renowned to hop from country to country opening factories in areas suffering from hardship, poverty and primarily a lack of education, because their is always a hungry workforce willing to work for a pittance just to survive.
I wonder if this sorry state of education in the West is the deal from future planners to lure investors and corporations back and fuel the economy.
A lack of good education which encourages an inquisitive mind is the worst thing a human being can have. Couple this with poverty and the exhaustion and worry of just trying to survive and you can make people do whatever you want.
Governments know this, so do social planners and behavioral psychologists.
Our weapon against these possibilities is being alert, being cognitive and educating ourselves.
Maybe we won't have certificates and honors to wave, but at least we'll have the intelligence to fight back.
These governments and social planners must fear the intelligent mass if these possibilities are true.
maddog67 school is only a small part of education. All my real learning and knowledge came after i left school. We can educate ourselves and in some cases we can even put ourselves in for exams independent of schools. There are also many online distance learning educational establishments too.
Don't let them put you off and fight back as much as you can. Get your fellow students on board and protest at these unfair rules and tests.
They may try to pull our strings but only if we give them strings to pull!
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| Pong |
| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:47 am Post subject: |
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| I suppose a bureaucratic fallacy in education might be that a certain % of students must fail. And if enough students... fail to fail... there would be an adversarial top-down effort to correct the curve. I don't see conspiracy in that, just the stupid "mind" of a bureaucracy. |
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| maddog67 |
| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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dont get me wrong i have complainedm and thryed to fight the system as much as i can.me being from australia and coming to america and being put in 8th grade i can see all the fuck ups as an observer without being blinded by pride and hope for my homeland.but as i compare the schools to hte ones in australia i see that they have nice teachers but not a strong policy on looking after the students apart from using strict military discipline.
and i agree that school is a small part of our total education,i learned to walk by watching others and applying that tto my own lifestyle.
and the school that i go to actualy has to fail a cirtain amount of students and so does the highschool i will most probably be going to.
but i think that there is too much pressure to succeed while others try to intice u to fail.
i dont know if any1 else notices this but i do so there.
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| Ryon |
| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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I am the next generation, so I say we are some fucked up brats.
We have not been taught morals by our parents, manners by our parents, education by our government, or anything that would actually help us in life. The school system is a joke; they don't really give a fuck about you unless they are liable. The second you harm someone they are up in arms, but if you cut your wrists the bathroom they don't care (actually happened here). I eventually said "fuck this" and went home schooled. Learning on my own and such. Some people may say this is a stupid way to learn, but experience is the best teacher, and often times the strictest.
The teachers complained of the administration too. I was always one of those kids who got in trouble because the administration is full of dicks. I got detention without knowing what I got it for, I had no chance to argue my cause (a teacher says I did something and I suddenly did it. No trial, or chance to argue on my side, even if I didn't do it, 3 days detention).
We learn what we get from the streets, we have no manners, we respect no one. Our parents are lazy and our schools lazier.
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| Pong |
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As for being taught manners and morals, the last generation to get that were the baby-boomers. They rebelled en masse, and under this mindset raised the next generation "free" of any "impositions". I've talked to boomers who regret this.
Now there is some good news, which is that the boomers' fucked up brats (my generation - I was born in '71), if they rebel against anything, it is the anti-establishment moral vacuum experiment they were raised in. So a lot of us have young children now, and we're thinking about our parents' style vs. our grandparents' style, and maybe re-injecting some values that should not have been thrown out.
I don't believe we'll create another monster like the boomer generation though, because absent is the smothering "they shall want for nothing" sentiment of our grandparents.
Or maybe it's all circling the drain and there's no helping any generation.  |
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| maddog67 |
| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 3:53 am Post subject: |
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i have experienced almost every aspect of the education system and i have been taught manners in school and by my parents or got the shit beaten outa me but,MAYBE this is the same way that most of the civiliztions of the ancient world hae fallen through lazieness and greed and also gulability.because i see alot of that today. but i realy think that most schools that teach without talking to the kids and just saying do this instead of saying who would like to do this are a total joke.if the kids say no however they should ask why dont u want to learn and let them argue the point or argue as to why they want to learn and nomatter the result still teach it but to ask the children about there feelings toward the subject.
and i have not seen any form of debate about anything of consequence being debated in the classroom and i feel the best way to learn is to talk about things and to debate all the little things and i see this as the base line of the flaw's in society today and our generation we arent taught enouigh in school and are then let down through the rest of our life.
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| kojax |
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I think the problem is the schools use a "one size fits all" method of educating. Really smart kids get screwed just as bad as really dumb kids. The worst is what happens to the kids that just have unique learning methods. They did a pilot schools out where I live that was actually very effective at finding and fixing these problems for their students.
Then this big jerk tried to become head of the board by throwing up legal issues to take it out of the hands of the people who had started it, ultimately resulting in getting a lot of its funding pulled.
Everybody worries about themselves right now. Nobody worries about the bigger picture. It's like they just magically imagine that all the big picture issues will take care of themselves. Or maybe they take solace in knowing they probably won't get blamed for it as an individual when the whole system comes crashing down. (Though, of course, they'll still have to live in that ruined society.) |
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