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| Falloutboysgirl |
 Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:23 am Post subject: peta...lies? |
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omgomgomg, ok last week i ventured to watch a PETA testing 123 ok and another one wow im speechless wow. it was so nasty i shut it off before it even began and told my dad and he said its all propaganda bs. is it really animals dying like that or for people to convert u to there ways ? i dont know the world can be so cruel..i mean throwing a dog to the back of a truck???
if i were u i would boycott all tuna i heard about this that they lie to u sometimes and say its 'dophin safe' when its not one time i even think i got a littl epiece of dolphin in mine it was grey but ignorance is bliss
can someone tell me this
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| Jeremyhfht |
| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:47 am Post subject: Re: peta...lies? |
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omgomgomg, ok last week i ventured to watch a PETA testing 123 ok and another one wow im speechless wow. it was so nasty i shut it off before it even began and told my dad and he said its all propaganda bs. is it really animals dying like that or for people to convert u to there ways ? i dont know the world can be so cruel..i mean throwing a dog to the back of a truck???
if i were u i would boycott all tuna i heard about this that they lie to u sometimes and say its 'dophin safe' when its not one time i even think i got a littl epiece of dolphin in mine it was grey but ignorance is bliss
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*sigh* well, to put it as simply as-is possible without reading anymore of that HORRID eye-sporking grammar: They basically show video's of *WORST CASE* scenario's to convert you to their cause. They're no better than theists using examples of "tragedy" (which are also worst-case scenario's) to convert people.
And I believe I saw that same video. There is a discussion on it if you care to search. it's in the Vegetarianism thread. |
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| jackson33 |
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if you don't mind i have to agree with your Dad. i do wonder though, do you feel less emotion over a dead tuna or a dead dolphin. a shark seems to have no preference. if you do, would a dead cow or chicken make a difference.
actually a good share of tuna you eat is now farm grown. no dolphin any where around. they taste just fine too..... |
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Er, I'm not a biologist but aren't dolphins 'ex-mamals' rather than fish? and if so would not their flesh be more like our's than fish?
Perhaps the 'grey bit' you ate was as a result of the fish being poisoned by plutonium....  |
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| Imaplanck. |
| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:16 am Post subject: Re: peta...lies? |
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| Falloutboysgirl wrote: |
omgomgomg, ok last week i ventured to watch a PETA testing 123 ok and another one wow im speechless wow. it was so nasty i shut it off before it even began and told my dad and he said its all propaganda bs. is it really animals dying like that or for people to convert u to there ways ? i dont know the world can be so cruel..i mean throwing a dog to the back of a truck???
if i were u i would boycott all tuna i heard about this that they lie to u sometimes and say its 'dophin safe' when its not one time i even think i got a littl epiece of dolphin in mine it was grey but ignorance is bliss
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Have you seen the live skinning of animals videos and how they are left to live on in a bin afterwards until their heart gives out? Or the disruption of dolphin sonar as to beach them, batter the mothers to death and take their calves?
I dont know what you saw but if its on video its probably actually happening. If your Dad is calling it propaganda, I would say that he proababy thinks the scale of the claims are exaggerated, or is just spreading the joy and ignorance of wankers, I dont know.
Any way these things happen in the world, its up to you to make of it what you will.
Personally animal cruelty sickens me, but its going to happen what ever you do.
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| captaincaveman |
| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:34 am Post subject: Re: peta...lies? |
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| Falloutboysgirl wrote: |
omgomgomg, ok last week i ventured to watch a PETA testing 123 ok and another one wow im speechless wow. it was so nasty i shut it off before it even began and told my dad and he said its all propaganda bs. is it really animals dying like that or for people to convert u to there ways ? i dont know the world can be so cruel..i mean throwing a dog to the back of a truck???
if i were u i would boycott all tuna i heard about this that they lie to u sometimes and say its 'dophin safe' when its not one time i even think i got a littl epiece of dolphin in mine it was grey but ignorance is bliss
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from what i understand of it dolphin safe has something to do with the nets, and you wouldnt get a bit of dolphin in with your tuna. Any dolphins that are caught while catching tuna are lobbed back in the sea(still dead though) and not gutted on board and packed with ice(as the tuna is) to the processing plant
not sure what the grey part was, unless it was part of the outer skin that made it through the process
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Er, I'm not a biologist but aren't dolphins 'ex-mamals' rather than fish? and if so would not their flesh be more like our's than fish?
Perhaps the 'grey bit' you ate was as a result of the fish being poisoned by plutonium.... |
yes, dolphins are mammals (not-ex), as are cows, pigs, deer, buffalo, rabbits. these are warm blooded creatures, fish cold. we eat em all....your dog eats a little more horse meat than humans.
Ive cleaned a lot of catfish, there skin is not much different than ours, at least to touch. taste good to, but since i have never eaten human flesh i cannot give opinion.
isn't mercury the villain in the oceans. |
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| Megabrain wrote: |
Er, I'm not a biologist but aren't dolphins 'ex-mamals' rather than fish? and if so would not their flesh be more like our's than fish?
Perhaps the 'grey bit' you ate was as a result of the fish being poisoned by plutonium.... |
yes, dolphins are mammals (not-ex), as are cows, pigs, deer, buffalo, rabbits. these are warm blooded creatures, fish cold. we eat em all....your dog eats a little more horse meat than humans.
Ive cleaned a lot of catfish, there skin is not much different than ours, at least to touch. taste good to, but since i have never eaten human flesh i cannot give opinion.
isn't mercury the villain in the oceans. |
yeah i think mercury works its way up, shellfish take it in, then they get eaten and that fish takes it and on up the food chain it goes
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| jackson33 |
| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: peta...lies? |
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| Falloutboysgirl wrote: |
omgomgomg, ok last week i ventured to watch a PETA testing 123 ok and another one wow im speechless wow. it was so nasty i shut it off before it even began and told my dad and he said its all propaganda bs. is it really animals dying like that or for people to convert u to there ways ? i dont know the world can be so cruel..i mean throwing a dog to the back of a truck???
if i were u i would boycott all tuna i heard about this that they lie to u sometimes and say its 'dophin safe' when its not one time i even think i got a littl epiece of dolphin in mine it was grey but ignorance is bliss
can someone tell me this |
Have you seen the live skinning of animals videos and how they are left to live on in a bin afterwords until their heart gives out? Or the disruption of dolphin sonar as to beach them, batter the mothers to death and take their calves?
I don't know what you saw but if its on video its probably actually happening. If your Dad is calling it propaganda, I would say that he probably thinks the scale of the claims are exaggerated, or is just spreading the joy and ignorance of wankers, I dont know.
Any way these things happen in the world, its up to you to make of it what you will.
Personally animal cruelty sickens me, but its going to happen what ever you do. |
live skinning of mammals has not happened in many years. even chickens are now killed first, although there nerve system works on and can be un-nerving.
fish feel no pain. we did skin catfish while living for simplicity and even after that cut off the head. they can go on for several minute breathing but this also may have been a nerve system.
guess your a vegetarian, so you should consider even your vegetables are composed of 50% of our genetic structure. a little less than chickens. if you eat meat, remember most animals kill there dinner, eat and go with out ever cleaning up. at least give some credit to your fellow man.
her Dad was right. much to do about nothing and pure propaganda to influence those young skulls. |
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| Imaplanck. |
| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: peta...lies? |
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| Falloutboysgirl wrote: |
omgomgomg, ok last week i ventured to watch a PETA testing 123 ok and another one wow im speechless wow. it was so nasty i shut it off before it even began and told my dad and he said its all propaganda bs. is it really animals dying like that or for people to convert u to there ways ? i dont know the world can be so cruel..i mean throwing a dog to the back of a truck???
if i were u i would boycott all tuna i heard about this that they lie to u sometimes and say its 'dophin safe' when its not one time i even think i got a littl epiece of dolphin in mine it was grey but ignorance is bliss
can someone tell me this |
Have you seen the live skinning of animals videos and how they are left to live on in a bin afterwords until their heart gives out? Or the disruption of dolphin sonar as to beach them, batter the mothers to death and take their calves?
I don't know what you saw but if its on video its probably actually happening. If your Dad is calling it propaganda, I would say that he probably thinks the scale of the claims are exaggerated, or is just spreading the joy and ignorance of wankers, I dont know.
Any way these things happen in the world, its up to you to make of it what you will.
Personally animal cruelty sickens me, but its going to happen what ever you do. |
live skinning of mammals has not happened in many years. even chickens are now killed first, although there nerve system works on and can be un-nerving.. |
Dont be a dick! its happening to this day in the fur industry.
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fish feel no pain. we did skin catfish while living for simplicity and even after that cut off the head. they can go on for several minute breathing but this also may have been a nerve system. |
No! it is debated by retards (and you obviously) that they feel no pain, but fish are vertibrates, have a nervous system and are adverse to damaging scenarios.
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guess your a vegetarian, so you should consider even your vegetables are composed of 50% of our genetic structure. a little less than chickens. if you eat meat, remember most animals kill there dinner, eat and go with out ever cleaning up. at least give some credit to your fellow man. |
Im not a veggy. I just see no point in cruelty for orgasm sake.
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| her Dad was right. much to do about nothing and pure propaganda to influence those young skulls |
Do you know what propaganda means moron?
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Click on the link for what ever media player you have. Contains video of live skinning of animals in Chinas fur industry.
http://www.animal-protection.net/furtrade/chinafur.html
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I hope you arn't suggesting that animal products industries in the US do, or cause, or by their nature encourage things that happen in China? Non western nations (China is considered "The Far East" which is about as far from "West" as you can go  ) often continue inefficient and cruel practices.
The strange thing I find is how Vegan pushers often try to play to emotion and then when refuted bite out with their own moral impositions and worst case scenarios. It's like arguing religion, with words being more important than evidence and namecalling the order of the day. |
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| I hope you arn't suggesting that animal products industries in the US do, or cause, or by their nature encourage things that happen in China? Non western nations (China is considered "The Far East" which is about as far from "West" as you can go ) often continue inefficient and cruel practices.. |
No Im not suggesting that, Im presenting it as fact!
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The strange thing I find is how Vegan pushers often try to play to emotion and then when refuted bite out with their own moral impositions and worst case scenarios. It's like arguing religion, with words being more important than evidence and namecalling the order of the day |
Look Im not a fucking vegan artard! I eat eat meat and I wear lether shoes. I am a normal guy who is just appalled by certain cruelty. You sir are a cock sucker however!
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BTW Im an athiest.
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| i think we are all minimizing these industries that practice heartless cruel standards in their facilities. the bottom line is some are bad and need to be shut down. most are good and if its USA oriented it is probly safe to eat knowing it was not cruel but just know where you get your food from... don't buy from strangers... |
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