| Author |
Message
|
| dejawolf |
 Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: evolutionary process of tank design |
 |
|
Forum Ph.D.
Joined: 31 Dec 2006
Posts: 696
Location: Norway
|
i've noticed that tank design follow much the same evolutionary traits as regular evolution.
you have several different species of tanks which evolved from the common ancestor of WW1, where "interbreeding" of parts create new and more effective designs. tank improvement was also more prevalent in the cold war,
when selection pressure was higher.
and the most interesting comparison is where some of the older "species" of tanks like the T-55, still prevail in some armies to this day, as the crocodile and coelachant has survived for hundreds of millions of years in their own niches.
so even in our designs, our roots of evolution still prevail.
_________________
only a fool puts art above science. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
| Introspect |
| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Freshman
Joined: 07 Jun 2008
Posts: 7
|
I think you could make the comparison to biological evolution anywhere there is variation, selection and heritability.
Thus at the most abstract level ideas evolve as people vary their interpretations of existing ideas or come up with new ones. The appeal of certain ideas to certain people/contexts/needs drives selection of particular ideas and the ideas which can adapt best to a specific context are the ones which propagate.
Yay memes!
And you can apply that template to any kind of design: computers, computer software, architecture, and tanks!  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Chemboy |
| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Ph.D.
Joined: 01 Jul 2006
Posts: 1095
Location: NY
|
That's interesting. It goes to show how natural the concept of 'survival of the fittest' is, really. If one thing doesn't work, it doesn't last and something better takes its place. 'Survival of the fittest' and 'natural selection' (though you'd need to replace the word 'natural' depending on the context) definitely don't apply only to biology. Good observation.
_________________
"There is a kind of lazy pleasure in useless and out-of-the-way erudition." -Jorge Luis Borges |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| dejawolf |
| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Ph.D.
Joined: 31 Dec 2006
Posts: 696
Location: Norway
|
| Chemboy wrote: |
| That's interesting. It goes to show how natural the concept of 'survival of the fittest' is, really. If one thing doesn't work, it doesn't last and something better takes its place. 'Survival of the fittest' and 'natural selection' (though you'd need to replace the word 'natural' depending on the context) definitely don't apply only to biology. Good observation. |
yes, it evens maintains the philosophy that isolation creates greater divergence between the designs.
_________________
only a fool puts art above science. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Theoryofrelativity |
| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: Re: evolutionary process of tank design |
|
|
Forum Professor
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Posts: 1166
|
| dejawolf wrote: |
i've noticed that tank design follow much the same evolutionary traits as regular evolution.
you have several different species of tanks which evolved from the common ancestor of WW1, where "interbreeding" of parts create new and more effective designs. tank improvement was also more prevalent in the cold war,
when selection pressure was higher.
and the most interesting comparison is where some of the older "species" of tanks like the T-55, still prevail in some armies to this day, as the crocodile and coelachant has survived for hundreds of millions of years in their own niches.
so even in our designs, our roots of evolution still prevail. |
so you can see how evolution is just a case of progressive intelligent design then, good we agree on something
'intelligent designer'
aka
GOD
_________________
'Time is the space between birth and death' by me. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Highball |
| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: evolutionary process of tank design |
|
|
Forum Freshman
Joined: 21 May 2008
Posts: 16
|
| Theoryofrelativity wrote: |
| dejawolf wrote: |
i've noticed that tank design follow much the same evolutionary traits as regular evolution.
you have several different species of tanks which evolved from the common ancestor of WW1, where "interbreeding" of parts create new and more effective designs. tank improvement was also more prevalent in the cold war,
when selection pressure was higher.
and the most interesting comparison is where some of the older "species" of tanks like the T-55, still prevail in some armies to this day, as the crocodile and coelachant has survived for hundreds of millions of years in their own niches.
so even in our designs, our roots of evolution still prevail. |
so you can see how evolution is just a case of progressive intelligent design then, good we agree on something
'intelligent designer'
aka
GOD
|
 ... and so, once more we witness the sacrifice of logical scientific debate on the altar of religion! Allah Akhbar!
_________________
I love my iMac |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Theoryofrelativity |
| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: evolutionary process of tank design |
|
|
Forum Professor
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Posts: 1166
|
| Highball wrote: |
... and so, once more we witness the sacrifice of logical scientific debate on the altar of religion! Allah Akhbar! |
who mentioned religion?
I have none.
The poster made the point that evolution is akin to our progressive intelligent design and thus demonstrated that rather than evolution proving the non existance of an intelligent designer, it supported it.
_________________
'Time is the space between birth and death' by me. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| dejawolf |
| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:26 am Post subject: Re: evolutionary process of tank design |
|
|
Forum Ph.D.
Joined: 31 Dec 2006
Posts: 696
Location: Norway
|
| Theoryofrelativity wrote: |
| Highball wrote: |
... and so, once more we witness the sacrifice of logical scientific debate on the altar of religion! Allah Akhbar! |
who mentioned religion?
I have none.
The poster made the point that evolution is akin to our progressive intelligent design and thus demonstrated that rather than evolution proving the non existance of an intelligent designer, it supported it. |
No. you completely and absolutely misunderstood.
its a selection process by intelligent beings, not intelligent design.
designs follow the needs of soldiers in the field, and the designers experiment until they get a solution that can work towards that, while simultaneously not cripple the design in some other area.
when the first tank was made, there was no plan, only a set of requirements.
the way the christian creatonism is postulated, is that "god has a plan with everything" so everything is put together in a clockwork fashion and plays out exactly like god wants. or something. christians tend to cheat in this area.
_________________
only a fool puts art above science. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Ophiolite |
| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Radioactive Isotope
Joined: 25 Jul 2005
Posts: 4804
Location: Scotland
|
| Chemboy wrote: |
| That's interesting. It goes to show how natural the concept of 'survival of the fittest' is, really. If one thing doesn't work, it doesn't last and something better takes its place. |
This can be falsified in one word:
Betamax
_________________
The Universe is not only weirder than we imagine it is weirder than we can imagine. J.B.S.Haldane. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Theoryofrelativity |
| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:02 am Post subject: Re: evolutionary process of tank design |
|
|
Forum Professor
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Posts: 1166
|
| dejawolf wrote: |
the way the christian creatonism is postulated, is that "god has a plan with everything" so everything is put together in a clockwork fashion and plays out exactly like god wants. or something. christians tend to cheat in this area. |
I'm not a christian so I wouldn't know.
Who mentioned Christians?
_________________
'Time is the space between birth and death' by me. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| dejawolf |
| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:59 am Post subject: Re: evolutionary process of tank design |
|
|
Forum Ph.D.
Joined: 31 Dec 2006
Posts: 696
Location: Norway
|
| Theoryofrelativity wrote: |
| dejawolf wrote: |
the way the christian creatonism is postulated, is that "god has a plan with everything" so everything is put together in a clockwork fashion and plays out exactly like god wants. or something. christians tend to cheat in this area. |
I'm not a christian so I wouldn't know.
Who mentioned Christians? |
the mention of ID and GOD are words usually associated with monotheism, and christianity in particular.
_________________
only a fool puts art above science. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Theoryofrelativity |
| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: Re: evolutionary process of tank design |
|
|
Forum Professor
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Posts: 1166
|
| dejawolf wrote: |
| Theoryofrelativity wrote: |
| dejawolf wrote: |
the way the christian creatonism is postulated, is that "god has a plan with everything" so everything is put together in a clockwork fashion and plays out exactly like god wants. or something. christians tend to cheat in this area. |
I'm not a christian so I wouldn't know.
Who mentioned Christians? |
the mention of ID and GOD are words usually associated with monotheism, and christianity in particular. |
It also implies that there is intelligence behind the design which could simply come from the possibility this planet was teraformed and so on by an intelligent alien race. Which I choose to call GOD for purposes of this debate.
_________________
'Time is the space between birth and death' by me. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| spuriousmonkey |
| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:04 am Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Ph.D.
Joined: 12 May 2005
Posts: 764
|
You are absolutely right!
That is if deja wolf is right.
Unfortunately he is completely wrong.
_________________
“A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of stone.” |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Theoryofrelativity |
| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:51 am Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Professor
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Posts: 1166
|
| spuriousmonkey wrote: |
You are absolutely right!
That is if deja wolf is right.
Unfortunately he is completely wrong. |
Hello Monkey man
I passed by your forum the other day, interesting changes you made. Tis looking good. I see the nipper is growing well. Shame about the bunny with spunky hair doo 
_________________
'Time is the space between birth and death' by me. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| dejawolf |
| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Ph.D.
Joined: 31 Dec 2006
Posts: 696
Location: Norway
|
| spuriousmonkey wrote: |
You are absolutely right!
That is if deja wolf is right.
Unfortunately he is completely wrong. |
i'm wrong where. just making an observation.
not saying tank design is evolution, only that it acts a lot like it.
i hate people telling me "i'm wrong" without telling me on what particular area that i'm wrong.
_________________
only a fool puts art above science. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
