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| Hazz |
 Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:15 pm Post subject: Will the Iranians give us back our soldiers? |
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With the recent crisis concerning the capture of fifteen British soldiers by Iranian forces rapidly escalating, how far do you think it will go before the matter is resolved and the soldiers are returned?
We have to take into account here the position Iran is in, with two super-powers angry at it, but we also have to consider how far Britain will go to get its soldiers back. |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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The Iranians are likely to try and gain as much political leverage as they can, If they hang onto these guys they may release them just after the next election (as they did to the US embassy hostages some years ago).
Personally I'd like to swap them for our top twenty politicians.
Realistically, I'd like to know what the hell our warship was doing letting the iranians creep up on these boats, I think there is alot unsaid - I'm quite sure rushing in and not protecting [and watching] your escape is against the norm...
It was I believe, a well orchestrated and well executed trap that we fell into, they have a need for these guys for some reason - it will become apparent |
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| Jellyologist |
| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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The Brits are in the 'Persian Gulf' because....? Roll over, fetch...here Tony...that's a good boy. Uncle George will give you some Freedom Fries and a slice of Yellow Cake for dessert.
The Brits can do nothing until the Americans say 'ok'. It's sad that the once mighty British nation has become a sidekick ...a Boo Boo to Yogi Bear. |
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| leohopkins |
| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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I know what I think about the situation.
Let me ask you guys a question; if you dont like someone you cant jsut go up to him and punch him in the face. You need an excuse. 'nuff said.
Im certainly glad that I was never captured. Rules of engagement my arse. I would have carried on fighting, even if I was the only one left an up against a million men. Im not the type to surrender, which is probably what got me out alive.
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| MacGyver1968 |
| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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What is the general feelings in Britain about the soldiers capture? Are people calling for military action? I've been worried that this might lead to another war starting.
By the way...have you seen Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? He's a little short f-ck...couldn't be more than 5'4" (162 cm) tall! Must have napoleon syndrome.
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| Guest |
| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| Concerned but not about to call for a war, there are plenty of Iranians in britain and there seems to be no public backlash against them - that would be the usual sign of disquiet. I think we expect to get them back sometime. |
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| wallaby |
| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:16 am Post subject: |
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if the release of the servicemen could only be done by force then wouldn't an SAS team be just as likely to secure them than an outright war would?
i don't even see how a war could be fought by iran against the UK, doesn't seem like they have an airforce or navy capable of getting from iran to london without being destroyed in the process. |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:51 am Post subject: |
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I don't think there's any real question of a war, 1982 Britain sent a task force to the falklands against some 10,000 Argentines 'dug in' - that was a close call, our guys were just about out of ammo and very surprised at the sudden 'surrender' - since then our armed services have been even more decimated.
Britain is only an effective force these days as part of an international group. I am surpised that the Iranians have actually done this, they are trying to show that they are responsible when it comes to their nuclear program, what possible [positive] message can this activity send to the world? |
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| Jellyologist |
| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| wallaby wrote: |
if the release of the servicemen could only be done by force then wouldn't an SAS team be just as likely to secure them than an outright war would?
i don't even see how a war could be fought by iran against the UK, doesn't seem like they have an airforce or navy capable of getting from iran to london without being destroyed in the process. |
I was an infanty officer for 2 years after finishing university. You don't need an SAS team but a two hundred thousand man invasion force with full mobile capability and even then, the captives wouldn't be found or freed.
The UK has ZERO means of freeing these captives via force. No means of inflicting more than a pinprick against Iran. (except a nuclear strike which it won't do).
Hint: those movies and video games about SAS and Navy Seals on daring special operations are FICTION. Believe it or not, bad guys can shoot straight and aren't all waiting around twiddling their thumbs.There are no secret hostage finding machines or pretty agents directing the good guys to the power source  The UK and Americans have little intelligence within Iran and any special force sent in would stand out like a sore thumb and be wiped out in a nano-second.
The UK has limited military capability and almost none to sustain any attack on a country like Iran. It's all up to the USA what happens. The UK in the Middle East is a cog in the U.S. war machine and delegated sovereignty to American decision makers. What governs that decision making is domestic U.S. politics. There's an irony that the scope UK's foreign actions are determined by polls in the USA...reversed colonialism from before 1776  |
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| wallaby |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| Jellyologist wrote: |
I was an infanty officer for 2 years after finishing university. You don't need an SAS team but a two hundred thousand man invasion force with full mobile capability and even then, the captives wouldn't be found or freed.
The UK has ZERO means of freeing these captives via force. No means of inflicting more than a pinprick against Iran. (except a nuclear strike which it won't do). |
not a real world option huh.
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| Hint: those movies and video games about SAS and Navy Seals on daring special operations are FICTION. Believe it or not, bad guys can shoot straight and aren't all waiting around twiddling their thumbs.There are no secret hostage finding machines or pretty agents directing the good guys to the power source The UK and Americans have little intelligence within Iran and any special force sent in would stand out like a sore thumb and be wiped out in a nano-second. |
well then i guess the life expectancy in games and in the real world is no different then, at least not in the one i played once apon a time. |
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| Kabooom |
| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:45 am Post subject: |
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I don't remember where, but the Iranian leader believes that his people want him to go to war or they'll overthrow him. I think he's just trying to start something.
-Starts nuclear program
-Testing 'research' missiles
-Captures British soldiers
Just my 2 cents though, I'm not too big on keeping up with other countries problems, us Americans have enough thanks to Mr. Bush.
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| Nevyn |
| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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The Iranians just want a scrap, what with capturing them and then parading them on T.V in humiliation, they are just looking to start a fight and don't want to be blamed for starting it. I think we should just send the SAS to nab them
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| wallaby |
| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| congratulations on getting your troops back. |
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| river_rat |
| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:54 am Post subject: |
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The iranians made a valid point with this little show - what could the Brits do about it? Absolutely nothing, any military action was out of the question due to Afghanistan and Iraq, anything economic would be blocked by China and Russia and anything diplomatic was merely fancy talk for the camera's.
Ahmadinejad had Blair by the balls as was making sure the world knew about it 
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| leohopkins |
| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Im fed up with this government. Its WEAK WEAK WEAK !!!
If they were american troops captured, they would have sent the seals in !!
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