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| Hanuka |
 Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:21 am Post subject: What`s my religion?... |
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Heya y'all,
My religion issiue was always blurry to me, I mean, I was never sure what religion I belong to (and i`m still unsure)... 
I was thinking that you guys may give me your opinion on about which religion i belong to... I`ll start with the beginning to draw a picture of meself to ya...
I was born to a russian aurthodox-christian familly, not so religius but also no atheist.
At the age of 2 me, my mom&dad relocated to Israel to start a new life.
My uncle had friends at a monastery at jerusalem that agreed to let us live there (it was a greek aurtodox monastery) so I lived there until I was like 5-6 if I recall and then we left to live in a villege (modern villege offcourse) which I cant remember its name... anyways, we left it after a few more years and relocated once again to a pretty big city, ramat-gan (its a naighbouring city just outside of tel-aviv (somewhat the metropolis of israel xD)
In anyways, thats when I decided to question my religion;
I asked myself "Do I really belive in Jesus??"
The answer was no, because I dont belive that he`s the "son of god" and anyway, by the torah we are all "sons of god" so how the hell is he different? and also I dont belive in worshipping another human being.
Maybe he was a cool guy or maybe if i was back in his days he maybe could be my friend, but nothing more.
After this I started to do the jewish mitzvas, I dunno really why I did it, maybe to not be different from me mateys, maybe cos i just belive in god or maybe just because I can(or want?)...
I started eating cosher food only, fasting at yom-kipur, not eating bread at pesah and various jewish things that I could do without my family (by now they were already almost fully atheist (but still consider themselves as christians), i mean, the only christian holiday that they keep is christmas, besides that they are like atheist)..
If you`ll ask me if I belive in god i`ll say yes but it is still uncertain... i mean.. what i REALLY belive in is sense, reason and justice(call me corny but thats who I am  ). But in these days you almost have to pick a side so what`s your opinion? which side do I belong to (if any)??
thanks in advance,
tony
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| Ophiolite |
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You sound to me like an weak theist with Abrahamic tendencies. 
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| Hanuka |
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| Ophiolite |
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Someone who believes in God, sort of. No really strong conviction in that direction.
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| Hanuka |
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| But in these days you almost have to pick a side |
I think you're doing OK without picking a side. Remain skeptical. You might end up with a stronger belief in God, or you might become a non-believer, or stay forever on the fence. What's more important than what you believe is how you act, and there I would suggest you don't need a priest or a rabbi or a mullah to tell you what to do. |
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Take it from me, no one can change your views, one day they might and one day they might not.
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| But in these days you almost have to pick a side |
I think you're doing OK without picking a side. Remain skeptical. You might end up with a stronger belief in God, or you might become a non-believer, or stay forever on the fence. What's more important than what you believe is how you act, and there I would suggest you don't need a priest or a rabbi or a mullah to tell you what to do. |
Yea exactly. Maybe you take part in the rituals of your religion just to be part of the community, nothing wrong with that. People use rituals and symbols to bond together, I guess that's how religions started in the first place. If I'm not mistaken the bar mitzwa is like a 'coming of age' event, to show a kid that he's becoming a full member of society. In this case it's a religious ritual, but non-believers also have their rituals like taking the kid on a big hiking tour to proof his toughness, etc. As long as the rituals and symbols are harmless there's no reason to reject them, regardless of whether you really believe in a god or not. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:20 am Post subject: |
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but you see, most of jeweish rituals that i do is not cos of the plain ritual aspect,
for instence; eating cosher food is a very healthy thing to do as if u mix milk and meat it can cause various types of cancer n` shyt, and also, i dont like to eat pig`s meat cos i like piggys
also fasting from time to time is a good way to clease your body and just train yourself. besides, its very disrespectful to eat and drink at ur home (or outside if ure an sob) when everyone else is "dying" of thirst and hunger outside...
btw, i see what you guys are trying to say, that i`m in control of my own religion, which is quite obvious.
but can you guys give me YOUR prespective on about it??
thanks,
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it sounds like you're an emerging agnostic.
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| Hanuka |
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whats this?
(lol im sorry for my ignorence but i`m not an expert in religions so i dunno these sort of refferences xD) |
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An agnostic is know as a "fence-sitter." He neither affirms or denies the existence of God. He believes God cannot be proved nor disproved. An agnostic might be called, in my opinion, a scientist on principle, not ruling out any possibility.
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hanuka : there is a such a thing as an agnostic atheist, you sound like to me to be an agnostic theist. You appear not sure, but your also not willing to commit to being a complete agnostic.
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aye, aye!
tanks all for the answers, i never before knew that theres even a thing thats called agnostic xD
btw, can anyone tell me the difference between atheist and theist and how the "a" makes a difference?? |
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| Hanuka wrote: |
| btw, can anyone tell me the difference between atheist and theist and how the "a" makes a difference?? |
The "a" in atheist simply testifies to the fact that an atheist is a non-theist, in other words, not a theist. I believe it's the theists themselves who came up with that label if I'm not mistaking. In short, the "a" is the same as "non" or "not", meaning the atheist does not believe in any god or gods.
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"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings."
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