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| jackson33 |
 Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:39 pm Post subject: US 2008 Elections... |
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In the US, we are into the basics for our, year from now, Presidential Elections. Most observers feel they will be the dirtiest, hardest fought and no doubt most contested in our history.
This forum has a good many worldwide members, as well as representation form different areas in the US. It would be nice to know who you folks think would best represent the US for four & probably 8 years into the future, current candidate or not. Additionally which party you would prefer to see in control of Congress. (Democrat/Republican)
According to polls, the current consensus shows, Senator Clinton leading her party and winning the Presidency. They also show the Democrats maintaining with some increase in numbers, both the Senate and House. |
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| Bunbury |
| Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I visit here for the science, not the politics, so I'm not going to let on what my views are. No, not at all. I have political views, but they're not going to appear on a science bulletin board. No, that would be totally inappropriate. Actually I'm undecided. I haven't decided what type of booze I'm going to get drunk on when the present lethally imbecilic moron vacates the property he fouls with his illegal occupation on Pennsylvania Avenue. But as to my politics, you'll have to guess. |
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| Ophiolite |
| Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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A former boss of mine, an American, often accused me of being a communist. (I would respond that was not the case, though I did consider Lenin to be dangerously right wing.  ) Certainly I lean to the left and so I find more in common with the Democrats than the Republicans.
Of the Democratic candidates I find Obama very interesting. Once primary season begins I shall ramp up my attention on the character, policies, etc of each candidate and develop a clearer opnion then.
Bunbury, one possibly positive thing to be said about GW is that he makes Nixon appear to be a man of integrity - which on reflection he probably was.
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| looking4recruits |
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China, very left wing, will decide the US elections.
They will offer ludicrous media contracts to the media that supports their choice of president.
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| Cat1981(England) |
| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:28 am Post subject: |
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I would like to see Hillary Clinton as president and the republicans in control of congress.
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| Guest |
| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Ophi; The primary season is winding down, with the first primary 1/8/08, or about 40 days and the by mid-February they will finish.
Bunbury; Sad to say, even some die hard republicans and even some conservatives would join you in that party, although for different reasons.
looking; Reading between the lines, you fear Clinton, as I do...However, this time around there seems to be no candidate, demo or rep, that creates political interest as she does. Called the base and she does not need the money *Slick Willy* required from the Chinese.
Cat; Many in the US, republican and our financial markets, would be pleased to have your out come, based on current polling. It looks as though gains will be made in both the Senate and House by the Dem's, based on the Immigration issue alone. The Iraq war here, is losing steam with most observers as an issue.
To the thread; National Conventions of both major parties for many years have been for show or the candidates pre-determined. The last *Broken Convention* (when nominee has not been determined) was 1979 when Reagan challenged Ford. Ford won, but then lost to Carter in the election.
If a minority convention produces a viable candidate or the primaries produce a controversial candidate w/o a majority, either or both parties could well be broken, requiring multiple roll calls.
Conventions; Green Party 7/10-13/08, Libertarian 5/23-26/08,
Dems 8/25-28/08 and Rep. 9/1-4/08... |
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| Cat1981(England) |
| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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I'm guessing Guest, that you are in fact the well respected Jackson.
Jackson, who would you like to see in both positions ? And why do you fear Mrs Clinton ?
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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| Cat1981(England) wrote: |
I'm guessing Guest, that you are in fact the well respected Jackson.
Jackson, who would you like to see in both positions ? And why do you fear Mrs Clinton ? |
She'll make it law that every male adulterer has their balls chopped off 
Not that I'm saying Jackson (guest whatever) is an adulterer.
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| Ophiolite |
| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Ophi; The primary season is winding down, with the first primary 1/8/08, or about 40 days and the by mid-February they will finish. ... |
I don't quite see how you can say they are winding down since they haven't started yet. I'm not talking about the pre-primary electioneering, but the blood letting that starts once they begin.
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| jackson33 |
| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:09 am Post subject: |
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Cat; Don't think "respected" is applicable. Certainly not on this forum. However, AGAIN I forgot to log in.
In all honesty, I see no candidate (announced & from all parties) worth an effort to go out and vote for, much less campaign for. Furthermore, I see this as the prevailing attitude and those from both parties that do vote, will vote *anti* either Bush or Clinton. Its sad, but my opinion...
Ophi; Suppose its what you feel "season" means. Five of six debates are in the past (last in LA 12/15), the campaigning for primary votes near complete after what seems like years of effort and a few candidates have already conceded or chose not to run, for lack of support.
Please note however, IMO 98% of even the *likely* voters are 10-11 months from even trying to understand the issues or what the candidates/parties offer as policy. This should be a responsible citizens duty, prior to the primaries.
willmer; Simply said, Hillary Clinton IMO is not qualified to run my local grocery. She has some some notion of being owed the position and is as disingenuous with her comments as any common criminal trying to justify a crime. Having said this, she is also a *class act* as a politician and strategist. I felt in 1991, she was Bill Clinton's backbone, still do and w/o Hillary he would have been selling used cars today. Unfortunately she is liked by many peoples of Nations around the world (point of this thread). I am not sure if its a *change in direction*, the promise to make Billy a traveling ambassador or that, again, they dislike Bush II. Gingrich, Limbaugh and myself have said she has a 75% probability of becoming the next President. Newt and Rush have altered their public opinion, in hopes of influencing their audience (radio-books), but down deep I think they would agree with my humble and unchanged view. |
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| KALSTER |
| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Not an USAian, but which of the candidates are NOT from Texas? Do you think Clinton would have invaded Afghanistan and Iraq? I like Obama, but you have an issue with him I take it. What is it?
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| Ophiolite |
| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:08 am Post subject: |
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Jackson, my liking for US Presidential elections arose in the 1970s when I lived in S.E.Asia. My insight, such as it was, to these elections was via the pages of the International Herald Tribune and Time magazine. It was the drama of swings of fortune within the primary period, such as Muskie's alleged public breakdown in New Hampshire, that I found fascinating. So I shall indulge my nostalgia by starting my deetailed candidate study when the primaries actually begin..
As a slight deviation, you may recall that accusations had been made that Muskie's wife had a drinking problem. His emotional defence of his wife, accompanied, allegedly by tears (though he claimed they were melting snow flakes) was seen as a sign of weakness. At the time a reporter phoned Harold MacMillan, former UK Prime Minister, and asked him what he had would have said if such accusations had been leveled at his wife. "I should have replied, if you think Lady MacMillan drinks, you should have seen her mother!"
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| jackson33 |
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KALSTER; Since Clinton, accepted that acts of violence with in the US were in fact problems for *Law Enforcement* (93 Twin Towers Bombing) and that acts against the US outside our borders, required impossible to acquire proof of origin; I would say Clinton would have avoided pressure to rid the OBL from Afghanistan. With a Republican Congress 1994 to the end of his term, the pressures may have required actions as Congress has the right to declare war. As for Iraq, NO. In fact most of the eventual reasons were started during his term. Throwing out the WMD inspectors, pot shots at the US/British planes patrolling the *No fly zone* and many of the mass killings of any opposition of Saddam after Gulf I. Am not sure what Texas has to do with it. Lydon Johnson, was also from Texas and with his War on Poverty and many other social reforms, possibly the most liberal of all the Democrats, then or today....
On "Barrack Obama"; As said, none of the candidates from either party represents my political opinion, in total or even to the degree of support.
Obama, represents the passive isolationist agenda of many folks in the US, which I might add has been common through out our history. He also is an extreme, when taking a new direction is the issue. IMO however, he lacks in total any perception of how the worlds political system works, has no idea what a Capitalist/Free Market actual is (like it or not, our system) and most important is not currently electable. As a person, I have no problem, but feel he has reach his political limits... |
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| jackson33 |
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Ophi; I DO NOT disagree with you...Iowa and New Hampshire, to most are signals, the Elections are coming. However for the US resident or the people who need to be informed, its to late in many cases after the primaries. What is left to vote on, in many cases are the picks of the party elite's. Clinton, Reagan and JFK, did buck the elite's, but had the media behind/opposed to generate interest. Drive the interest, so to speak...
Moments of defeat or success are given each election. Reagan "I paid for this microphone, now turn it on" (R-won), Nixon sweat during a debate with JFK (N-lost) and Bush I checked his watch at the wrong moment, debating Clinton (1991 and B-lost). Media, has a way of simplifying years of hard fought efforts into one short sound bite... |
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| KALSTER |
| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 2:31 am Post subject: |
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Thanks. The Texas thing was just a little poke of fun at americans. I can see what you mean with your stance to Obama. How similar are Mrs. Clinton's view on issues and general style to her husbands? What do you think the american people see her as; another imbodyment of her husband or someone thats there on her own terms? Someone stated that he would not have become what he was if wasn't for her, which from my perspective would not be impossible.
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