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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:36 am Post subject: Top Ten Reasons Why American Women Suck |
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Top Ten Reasons Why American Women Suck
1) Selfish - to the point where they don't know the difference between love of self and plain downright greed--and drilled into believing that whatever happens is the fault of whatever man is in their life because of the feminist crud drilled into them by the cadre of asexual closet cases called "therapists" who appear on "Ricki", "Oprah" or other such electronic drivel
2) Deluded - into thinking they "deserve" a rich, model-handsome husband who will "take them away from all of this"--whatever the "this" might be--and leading to resentment when they discover that the universe does NOT revolve around them
3) Angry - ALL the damn time about things which are so far out of their control as to be nonsensical--and constantly wanting to "discuss" this mind numbing drivel ad nauseam
4) Psychotic - multiple personalities in the same woman - as "Nomad" put it in the "Star Trek" episode: "Woman...a mass of inconsistencies...", and also when the feminist voices in their heads start with the regrets and victim acculturation
5) Worthless - anything that does not immediately resolve itself in her favor or to her benefit is meaningless to her, especially husband and family
6) Lazy - drilled into their head that they "deserve" a maid, nanny and personal slave to take care of every detail - and that their husband/boyfriend is REQUIRED to cater to their each and every mindless whim
7) Resentful - especially of other women who have things that they do not, in material, spiritual and esoteric senses
8 ) Greedy - to them, "housekeeping" means getting the house in the divorce (thanks to Zsa Zsa for that immortal line) and sucking the guy for every last cent, even if they had nothing to do with the building of the nest egg
9) Mindless - constant, irritating, idle prattle about topics they read about in some women's magazine and then become instant experts--particularly pop psychology and the latest crap they see on "Oprah" or "Ricki"
10) Vain - believing that they are irresistible to everything in pants and therefore are allowed to behave sluttish and without any honor.
The Catalog of Anti-Male Shaming Tactics
"Shaming tactics." This phrase is familiar to many Men's Rights Activists. It conjures up the histrionic behavior of female detractors who refuse to argue their points with logic. Yet women are not the only ones guilty of using shaming tactics against men. Male gynocentrists use them, too.
Shaming tactics are emotional devices meant to play on a man's insecurities and shut down debate. They are meant to elicit sympathy for women and to demonize men who ask hard questions. Most, if not all, shaming tactics are basically ad homimem attacks.
Anyway, it might be helpful to categorize the major shaming tactics that are used against men whenever a discussion arises about feminism, men's issues, romance, etc. The following list contains descriptions of shaming tactics, some examples of quotes employing the tactics, and even color-coded aliases for mnemonic purposes. Enjoy.
Charge of Irascibility (Code Red)
Discussion: The target is accused of having anger management issues. Whatever negative emotions he has are assumed to be unjustifiable. Examples:
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"You're bitter!"
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"You need to get over your anger at women."
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"You are so negative!"
Response: Anger is a legitimate emotion in the face of injustice. It is important to remember that passive acceptance of evil is not a virtue.
Charge of Cowardice (Code Yellow)
Discussion: The target is accused of having an unjustifiable fear of interaction with women. Examples:
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"You need to get over your fear."
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"Step up and take a chance like a man!"
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"You're afraid of a strong woman!"
Response: It is important to remember that there is a difference between bravery and stupidity. The only risks that reasonable people dare to take are calculated risks. One weighs the likely costs and benefits of said risks. As it is, some men are finding out that many women fail a cost-benefit analysis.
Charge of Hypersensitivity (Code Blue) - The Crybaby Charge
Discussion: The target is accused of being hysterical or exaggerating the problems of men (i.e., he is accused of playing "Chicken Little"). Examples:
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"Stop whining!"
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"Get over it!"
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"Suck it up like a man!"
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"You guys don't have it as nearly as bad as us women!"
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"You're just afraid of losing your male privileges."
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"Your fragile male ego ..."
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"Wow! You guys need to get a grip!"
Response: One who uses the Code Blue shaming tactic reveals a callous indifference to the humanity of men. It may be constructive to confront such an accuser and ask if a certain problem men face needs to be addressed or not ("yes" or "no"), however small it may be seem to be. If the accuser answers in the negative, it may constructive to ask why any man should care about the accuser's welfare since the favor will obviously not be returned. If the accuser claims to be unable to do anything about the said problem, one can ask the accuser why an attack is necessary against those who are doing something about it.
Charge of Puerility (Code Green) - The Peter Pan Charge
Discussion: The target is accused of being immature and/or irresponsible in some manner that reflects badly on his status as an adult male. Examples:
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"Grow up!"
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"You are so immature!"
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"Do you live with your mother?"
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"I'm not interested in boys. I'm interested in real men."
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"Men are shirking their God-given responsibility to marry and bear children."
Response: It should be remembered that one's sexual history, marital status, parental status, etc. are not reliable indicators of maturity and accountability. If they were, then we would not hear of white collar crime, divorce, teen sex, unplanned pregnancies, extramarital affairs, etc.
Charge of Endangerment (Code Orange) - The Elevated Threat Charge
Discussion: The target is accused of being a menace in some undefined manner. This charge may be coupled with some attempt to censor the target. Examples:
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"You guys are scary."
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"You make me feel afraid."
Response: It may be constructive to point out that only bigots and tyrants are afraid of having the truth expressed to them. One may also ask why some women think they can handle leadership roles if they are so threatened by a man's legitimate freedom of expression.
Charge of Rationalization (Code Purple) - The Sour Grapes Charge
Discussion: The target is accused of explaining away his own failures and/or dissatisfaction by blaming women for his problems. Example:
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"You are just bitter because you can't get laid."
Response: In this case, it must be asked if it really matters how one arrives at the truth. In other words, one may submit to the accuser, "What if the grapes really are sour?" At any rate, the Code Purple shaming tactic is an example of what is called "circumstantial ad hominem."
Charge of Fanaticism (Code Brown) - The Brown Shirts Charge
Discussion: The target is accused of subscribing to an intolerant, extremist ideology or of being devoted to an ignorant viewpoint. Examples:
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"You're one of those right-wing wackos."
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"You're an extremist"
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"You sound like the KKK."
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"... more anti-feminist zaniness"
Response: One should remember that the truth is not decided by the number of people subscribing to it. Whether or not certain ideas are "out of the mainstream" is besides the point. A correct conclusion is also not necessarily reached by embracing some middle ground between two opposing viewpoints (i.e., the logical fallacy of "False Compromise").
Charge of Invirility (Code Lavender)
Discussion: The target's sexual orientation or masculinity is called into question. Examples:
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"Are you gay?"
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"I need a real man, not a sissy."
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"You're such a wimp."
Response: Unless one is working for religious conservatives, it is usually of little consequence if a straight man leaves his accusers guessing about his sexual orientation.
Charge of Overgeneralization (Code Gray)
Discussion: The target is accused of making generalizations or supporting unwarranted stereotypes about women. Examples:
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"I'm not like that!"
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"Stop generalizing!"
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"That's a sexist stereotype!"
Response: One may point out that feminists and many other women make generalizations about men. Quotations from feminists, for example, can be easily obtained to prove this point. Also, one should note that pointing to a trend is not the same as overgeneralizing. Although not all women may have a certain characteristic, a significant amount of them might.
Charge of Misogyny (Code Black)
Discussion: The target is accused of displaying some form of unwarranted malice to a particular woman or to women in general. Examples:
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"You misogynist creep!"
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"Why do you hate women?"
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"Do you love your mother?"
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"You are insensitive to the plight of women."
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"You are mean-spirited."
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"You view women as doormats."
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"You want to roll back the rights of women!!"
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"You are going to make me cry."
Response: One may ask the accuser how does a pro-male agenda become inherently anti-female (especially since feminists often claim that gains for men and women are "not a zero-sum game"). One may also ask the accuser how do they account for women who agree with the target's viewpoints. The Code Black shaming tactic often integrates the logical fallacies of "argumentum ad misericordiam" (viz., argumentation based on pity for women) and/or "argumentum in terrorem" (viz., arousing fear about what the target wants to do to women).
Charge of Instability (Code White) - The White Padded Room Charge
Discussion: The target is accused of being emotionally or mentally unstable. Examples:
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"You're unstable."
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"You have issues."
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"You need therapy."
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"Weirdo!"
Response: In response to this attack, one may point to peer-reviewed literature and then ask the accuser if the target's mental and/or emotional condition can explain the existence of valid research on the matter.
Charge of Selfishness (Code Silver)
Discussion: This attack is self-explanatory. It is a common charge hurled at men who do not want to be bothered with romantic pursuits. Examples:
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"You are so materialistic."
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"You are so greedy."
Response: It may be beneficial to turn the accusation back on the one pressing the charge. For instance, one may retort, "So you are saying I shouldn't spend my money on myself, but should instead spend it on a woman like you ---and you accuse me of being selfish?? Just what were you planning to do for me anyway?"
Charge of Superficiality (Code Gold) - The All-That-Glitters Charge
Discussion: The charge of superficiality is usually hurled at men with regard to their mating preferences. Examples:
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"If you didn't go after bimbos, then ..."
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"How can you be so shallow and turn down a single mother?"
Response: Average-looking women can be just as problematic in their behavior as beautiful, "high-maintanence" women. Regarding the shallowness of women, popular media furnishes plenty of examples where petty demands are made of men by females (viz., those notorious laundry lists of things a man should/should not do for his girlfriend or wife).
Charge of Unattractiveness (Code Tan) - The Ugly Tan Charge
Discussion: The target is accused of having no romantic potential as far as women are concerned. Examples:
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"I bet you are fat and ugly."
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"You can't get laid!"
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"Creep!"
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"Loser!"
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"Have you thought about the problem being you?"
Response: This is another example of "circumstantial ad hominem." The target's romantic potential ultimately does not reflect on the merit of his arguments.
Charge of Defeatism (Code Maroon)
Discussion: This shaming tactic is akin to the Charge of Irascibility and the Charge of Cowardice in that the accuser attacks the target's negative or guarded attitude about a situation. However, the focus is not so much on the target's anger or fear, but on the target's supposed attitude of resignation. Examples:
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"Stop being so negative."
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"You are so cynical."
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"If you refuse to have relationships with women, then you are admitting defeat."
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"C'mon! Men are doers, not quitters."
Response: The charge of defeatism can be diffused by explaining that one is merely being realistic about a situation. Also, one can point out that asking men to just accept their mistreatment at the hands of women and society is the real attitude that is defeatist. Many men have not lost their resolve; many have lost their patience.
Threat of Withheld Affection (Code Pink) - The Pink Whip
Discussion: The target is admonished that his viewpoints or behavior will cause women to reject him as a mate. Examples:
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"No woman will marry you with that attitude."
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"Creeps like you will never get laid!"
Response: This is an example of the logical fallacy "argumentum ad baculum" (the "appeal to force"). The accuser attempts to negate the validity of a position by pointing to some undesirable circumstance that will befall anyone who takes said position. Really, the only way to deal with the "Pink Whip" is to realize that a man's happiness and worth is not based on his romantic conquests (including marriage).
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Is this a serious post or a joke one?
Those Q & A on that link are hilarious! _________________ "Victory is in trying. Defeat is in not". - SVRDW. |
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OOOOHH Cuntinuum
You have issues there boy...
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:50 am Post subject: |
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No, men just love taking the rip out of women to get you to bite, sometimes they bite too hard, if you know what I mean . _________________ "Victory is in trying. Defeat is in not". - SVRDW. |
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition wrote: |
Is this a serious post or a joke one?
Those Q & A on that link are hilarious! |
Bait for a certain someone on this forum..
edit: I would have said Oh the person right above me but you post too damn fast 425. _________________
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition wrote: |
Is this a serious post or a joke one?
Those Q & A on that link are hilarious! |
Bait for a certain someone on this forum..
edit: I would have said Oh the person right above me but you post too damn fast 425. |
Gosh
Well you go to a lot of effort to make bait,
you must be very good at fishing?
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Yeah, you're the classic British woman. Potty, or Nora Batty. _________________ "Victory is in trying. Defeat is in not". - SVRDW. |
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| Yeah, you're the classic British woman. Potty, or Nora Batty. |
....excuse me whilst i pull up my wrinkly nylons and adjust my rollers....but..
It's generations of women with rolling pins in their hands who have put the Great in Britain.
Churchill would never have motivated the forces and people with his famous speeches without his Missus briefing him beforehand!
And who put the great British banger and mash on the table? Not Mr Kipling, i can tell you!!
If it wasn't for us Nora Batties on hand to clip ears and point the way we'd have all been still working down the mines, choking on smog, tapping out morse code to make a dinner date and sprekken zie Deutsch! _________________ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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And if it weren't for the men in the industrial revolution, Maxwell or Newton, Einstein, Minkowski, etc. Then you wouldn't be here to say that! Who gos out and works? Puts a roof over your head? Risks his life for you? Pays the mortgage? Found the house? Keeps the house up? Sorts out the car? Spending hours at work so that you can buy food to cook? Believe it or not, men do all the shit work even to this day. And the best. How many women invent sound physics theories? Or work at power plants and sewerage treatment plants? Eve ate the apple first. Adam questioned God and was thrown out as a result. He fought God for a woman. Is that enough?
EDIT: After reading it I've realised how sexist that is.
Oh and don't give me that 'well women do those things nowadays' shit. Cos they don't. I love women, I just don't like the un equality men now have next to women these days. It seems the whole nation is being 'feminised', just look at male fashion! And moisterisers? FOR MEN? WTF?! _________________ "Victory is in trying. Defeat is in not". - SVRDW. |
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition wrote: |
And if it weren't for the men in the industrial revolution, Maxwell or Newton, Einstein, Minkowski, etc. Then you wouldn't be here to say that! Who gos out and works? Puts a roof over your head? Risks his life for you? Pays the mortgage? Found the house? Keeps the house up? Sorts out the car? Spending hours at work so that you can buy food to cook? Believe it or not, men do all the shit work even to this day. And the best. How many women invent sound physics theories? Or work at power plants and sewerage treatment plants? Eve ate the apple first. Adam questioned God and was thrown out as a result. He fought God for a woman. Is that enough?
EDIT: After reading it I've realised how sexist that is.
Oh and don't give me that 'well women do those things nowadays' shit. Cos they don't. I love women, I just don't like the un equality men now have next to women these days. It seems the whole nation is being 'feminised', just look at male fashion! And moisterisers? FOR MEN? WTF?! |
Wel women do all those things nowadays Swillmer
These men needed the energy and motivation required before achieving these things!
So women were the real movers and shakers.
We fried the banger stirred the gravy to give them physical energy and gave them our breasts to nuzzle as nurture. As well as squeezing their bottoms on the way out, so they did their work more gladly
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Its an interesting point. Come on, lets get into character. _________________ "Victory is in trying. Defeat is in not". - SVRDW. |
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They've contributed to mankind? Hardly, they did what they had to do because they wanted to survive as any animal would want to do. Nurturing and all that? I wouldn't even give you guys that much credit. Survival in itself will not advance humanity; you’ll just keep doing the same process over and over until extinction. What have women actually contributed to humanity? Sure suppression didn't help for the past tens of thousands of years but the point is you can't argue that you've done something when you've just laid around in a canoe and flowed with the current. Where's the woman's language? Major technological achievements? Their own established arts? A woman that created any prominent musical instrument? Weapons? Architecture? What about influential cultures? Sub-cultures? Women cannot be found when it comes to the building blocks of any field. That’s just how it happened, accept how it is now. Trying to say you’ve all done something once you had to adjust and use the tools men gave you every hundred or so years isn’t going to cut it. Look at the people of Africa for an example; they couldn’t contribute to the industrial revolution (Women did contribute to the industrial revolution however) because their people were torn apart by slavery. It’s not tended to be racist, its history, it’s a sad and unfortunate history and even offensive. Africans aren’t in denial about it, women still are. You guys make a difference to humanity now absolutely, everybody does, but in the past, no, just surviving and tagging along. _________________
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I'm not sure why this thread is in the trashcan, maybe because the original post is so extremely long and ill-structured. But the topic itself warrants debate. Continuum, maybe you could write your own thoughts down in a new, short and to-the-point thread.
If you look beyond the jokes and prejudices there does seem to be an issue of gender inequality at the expense of men. I've just read a study about the labour market in the Netherlands that concluded that women do work a lot less than men, even if there's no reason for it. Sure pregnant women don't have to work, sure there's a point in working less when you have young kids. But even women who never had kids yet work less in the Netherlands, and that's probably true for a lot of other countries as well. Why can't a 20something woman without kids have a fulltime job and work just as hard as most men do? And why stay off the labour market even when the kids have grown up? Ofcourse this doesn't apply to all women, but it does apply to very great numbers of them.
Another recent study shows that at least in the Netherlands boys structurally perform less well than girls, and that it may be explained by the way most education systems are set up nowadays. Kids are supposed to discuss with eachother, to work without guidence of teachers, to get a broad understanding of society rather than learn some concrete facts. Much of these reforms are for the good, but research shows that it doesn't fit with the learning styles of most boys. Most boys want an expert teacher to give them clear information before trying to figure out things by themselves, not just discuss things with other kids who don't know a thing about it. Beside that most primary schools are now dominated by women, who simply don't always understand how a (young) male mind works. This puts men at a disadvantage very early in life. |
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:33 am Post subject: |
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Well I sent it to the trash can because I had originally anticipated to thrive on Selene's emotion with this thread.
If you want to since you're the mod, you could always split this thread where you see the serious debate beginning.
Also Theoryofrelativity I mean no disrespect to you with the content here, you're cool in my book.  _________________
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I too would like to know which of the things you've posted here are your actual opinions and which are merely bait for Selene. I'm glad this is in the trash can, but still I can't say I think very highly of someone misrepresenting themselves here just so they can piss off another member. _________________ Man can will nothing unless he has first understood that he must count on no one but himself; that he is alone, abandoned on earth in the midst of his infinite responsibilities, without help, with no other aim than the one he sets himself, with no other destiny than the one he forges for himself on this earth.
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