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 Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:59 pm Post subject: Time machine ? |
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Hi
i'm new to this forum and this is my first topic so i'm not sure i chose the right section for it
any way
I'v been wondering lately is it possible to make an actual time machine ?
to me that's impossible cus' going back in time, it means like bringing back the dead to life and that's completely unreasonable don't u agree ?
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| DivideByZero |
| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Why would bringing the dead back to life sound unreasonable? After all, you ARE traveling back in time...
The question I guess is, "can you control yourself (your personal time) while going back in time?" |
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We have constructed machines to travel into the future, in a way. The pyramids were vehicles for transporting their occupants' souls to the afterlife, where they'd be immortalized amongst the gods. On his own terms Tutankhamun attained his wish. You know we are circling the Earth and contemplating details of his private life... maybe even clone that guy's DNA someday. He got it right.
Going back in time, we do constantly. Every time we re-evaluate something from the past, it happens. We rewrite and re-frame history both long-term and short-term. Consciousness is time travel.
If you mean destroying our matter in space, so it actually vanishes like *pop* now I'm gone in the flesh with dinosaurs... that's unnecessary and impossible besides IMO. The flesh is not the time. |
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| DivideByZero wrote: |
Why would bringing the dead back to life sound unreasonable? After all, you ARE traveling back in time...
The question I guess is, "can you control yourself (your personal time) while going back in time?" |
u can't just bring the dead back to life no one can except god
and if it's possible then life wouldn't be organized it will be a total mess
because if man could possibly make a time machine he will not make one by time he'll make dozens of it so every body will just be going back and forth in time changing history or the future and that's why it's unreasonable. |
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| coltbishop |
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| Motivation wrote: |
| DivideByZero wrote: |
Why would bringing the dead back to life sound unreasonable? After all, you ARE traveling back in time...
The question I guess is, "can you control yourself (your personal time) while going back in time?" |
u can't just bring the dead back to life no one can except god
and if it's possible then life wouldn't be organized it will be a total mess
because if man could possibly make a time machine he will not make one by time he'll make dozens of it so every body will just be going back and forth in time changing history or the future and that's why it's unreasonable. |
Looks like you answered your own question. God's the only one that can do it. He doesn't exist so it can't be done. |
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| Ophiolite |
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| Motivation wrote: |
| ..........so every body will just be going back and forth in time changing history or the future and that's why it's unreasonable. |
Mark Twain said "the only difference between fiction and non-fiction is that fiction has to seem reasonable".
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| SolomonGrundy |
| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Time travel is suspended until you all grow up !
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There's been so much discussion about this topic going on in the scientific community for decades, and still no one has the answer. In order to travel backwards or forwards in time, one would have to either travel faster than the speed of light (most likely not happening), do some fancy quantum tunneling (and in good quantum humor, there's a 0.000...1% chance perhaps that'll happen), or somehow transcend the three dimensions so that you are free to wander about in the fourth (the time line).
None of these seem quite probable in our lifetime, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. |
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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Time travel is possible. All you need to accomplish the construction of a time machine is persisitence, determination and of course, motivation.
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Looks like you answered your own question. God's the only one that can do it. He doesn't exist so it can't be done.[/quote]
what do u mean god doesn't exist !
well if he doesn't then how come this universe so very very organized
nothing makes it self every thing has a maker and god ( Allah ) made this universe just try to sit in a quiet place and think about it |
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| Misonix wrote: |
There's been so much discussion about this topic going on in the scientific community for decades, and still no one has the answer. In order to travel backwards or forwards in time, one would have to either travel faster than the speed of light (most likely not happening), do some fancy quantum tunneling (and in good quantum humor, there's a 0.000...1% chance perhaps that'll happen), or somehow transcend the three dimensions so that you are free to wander about in the fourth (the time line).
None of these seem quite probable in our lifetime, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. |
faster slower
non of these will work believe me
we are now living the future day by day so there isn't any future than the one that's coming tomorrow and if we're meant to go back in time then everybody and by that i mean evry live being on earth will not one person |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition wrote: |
| Time travel is possible. All you need to accomplish the construction of a time machine is persisitence, determination and of course, motivation. |
let me tell u something poeple work with limited sources and limited powers there are somethings that are beyond our limits
that's how god made us and that's how wer're going to live until the end
the thing that made u ( not ur parents ) is more powerful than u and it's perfect and that's god
even u , if u make somthing or invent it it's never more powerful than u
do u get me ?
(( the maker is always powerful than what he had done )) |
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| Ophiolite |
| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:57 am Post subject: |
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what do u mean god doesn't exist !
well if he doesn't then how come this universe so very very organized
nothing makes it self every thing has a maker and god ( Allah ) made this universe just try to sit in a quiet place and think about it |
It is probably best if we keep this thread focused on your original question concerning time machines. There are many threads in the forum where the existence or non-existence of God are actively discussed.
You will find that there are perfectly satisfactory explanations for the apparent order of the Universe. You will also find that some use these satisfactory explanations as a deeper evidence for the existence of a supreme being.
Both sides of the argument are supported by many individuals who have spent a long time sitting in quiet places thinking about it. Within The Science Forum we favour arguments that can be tested and ideas that can be proved wrong if they are wrong. That is the way science works. That also eliminates many of the faith based/personal revelation arguments used by believers.
To repeat my orignal point, lets keep this thread devoted to time machine discussion. Take up the on-going debate about God in one of the other threads, if you wish.
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| Ophiolite wrote: |
| Motivation wrote: |
what do u mean god doesn't exist !
well if he doesn't then how come this universe so very very organized
nothing makes it self every thing has a maker and god ( Allah ) made this universe just try to sit in a quiet place and think about it |
It is probably best if we keep this thread focused on your original question concerning time machines. There are many threads in the forum where the existence or non-existence of God are actively discussed.
You will find that there are perfectly satisfactory explanations for the apparent order of the Universe. You will also find that some use these satisfactory explanations as a deeper evidence for the existence of a supreme being.
Both sides of the argument are supported by many individuals who have spent a long time sitting in quiet places thinking about it. Within The Science Forum we favour arguments that can be tested and ideas that can be proved wrong if they are wrong. That is the way science works. That also eliminates many of the faith based/personal revelation arguments used by believers.
To repeat my orignal point, lets keep this thread devoted to time machine discussion. Take up the on-going debate about God in one of the other threads, if you wish. |
i guess ur right but i still don't think that someone will be able to make a time machine |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| i guess ur right but i still don't think that someone will be able to make a time machine |
You are basing this on what is called personal incredulity. However, just because you choose to believe something is impossible does not necessarily make it so.
Time travel is thought to be consistent with Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, so that many physicists feel it is entirely possible, at least in theory. You might like to read the following link. Since you chose to place this thread in Philosophical Discussion I have selected a link from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/time-machine/
Here is an extract from the article's opening remarks.
Recent years have seen a growing consensus in the philosophical community that the grandfather paradox and similar logical puzzles do not preclude the possibility of time travel scenarios that utilize spacetimes containing closed timelike curves. At the same time, physicists, who for half a century acknowledged that the general theory of relativity is compatible with such spacetimes, have intensely studied the question whether the operation of a time machine would be admissible in the context of general relativity theory or theories that attempt to combine general relativity and quantum mechanics. A time machine is a device which brings about closed timelike curves—and thus enables time travel—where none would have existed otherwise. The physics literature contains various no-go theorems for time machines, i.e., theorems which purport to establish that, under physically plausible assumptions, the operation of a time machine is impossible. We conclude that for the time being there exists no conclusive no-go theorem against time machines.
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