| Do you think there were any great civilizations before 10,000 BC? |
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| kojax |
 Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:10 am Post subject: Think there were any great civilizations before 10,000 BC? |
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I'm just curious what people think. Clearly we don't have much in the way of writings from that far back (anything, in fact).
I just wonder if you consider that it was during an ice age. Water levels were lower. The Earth was somewhat cold. Maybe only bearable at the very lowest possible altitudes. But, of course, the lowest altitudes are the ones that got covered in water when the ice age ended.......
How easily do you think an advanced civilization could escape our archeaological notice? Not advanced like we are now, or anything, of course, but maybe to the point of writing? |
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| Pendragon |
| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: |
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I think we have a pretty clear picture of which locations were suitable for large-scale sedentary civilizations in those days. If we've explored those sites and found nothing then it's reasonable to assume that there was no such civilization at that time. But I guess we'll never be 100% sure, the earth is a big place  |
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| sunshinewarrior |
| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| Wot 'e sed (Pendragon, that is). |
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| Wolf |
| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Well, Jericho is believed to have been founded in 9000BC, so 10kBC isn't that far off.
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| kojax |
| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Pendragon wrote: |
| I think we have a pretty clear picture of which locations were suitable for large-scale sedentary civilizations in those days. If we've explored those sites and found nothing then it's reasonable to assume that there was no such civilization at that time. But I guess we'll never be 100% sure, the earth is a big place |
Wouldn't a lot of the suitable sites be underwater today? Many sites that are suitable today would have been a lot colder back then. Nearest to the ocean, at the lowest altitudes, seems like a good place for a civilization to develop.
Another interesting concern: How sapiens came to inhabit pacific islands. Some people have gone so far as to suggest that sapiens evolved from erectus separately on each island, because sapiens bones are so hard to find from the ice age era, while Erectus bones are easy to find.
An alternative possibility is that sapiens were quite abundant, but only lived by the sea, where we can't easily look for bones. Only when the waters rose were they forced into the higher terrain. |
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| KALSTER |
| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: |
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What would happen to a city that was overrun by a glacier? If dwellings were made of mud and sticks (you could build a proper house this way ), almost nothing would be left after a glacier (or a flood  ). Another thing is that land bridges existed both as ice and as land. The sea level was much lower during the ice age.
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| Wolf |
| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| KALSTER wrote: |
| What would happen to a city that was overrun by a glacier? |
It's certainly a worthwhile point. Large cities are known to have existed, and do exist today, made of "primitive" materials which could easily vanish over time, completely.
This city in Yemen is over 2,000 years old, and is built mostly of primitive materials:
Click on the image to view it at its original size
The question around this issue becomes: did people live glacial regions 10k years ago, and what is the plausibility of such a city existing?
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| ishmaelblues |
| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| no they did not. if you gave me a year and a half i could explain why |
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| Wolf |
| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| ishmaelblues wrote: |
| no they did not. if you gave me a year and a half i could explain why |
Please don't post unless you're going to actually post something worthwhile.
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| Selene |
| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| Wolf wrote: |
| ishmaelblues wrote: |
| no they did not. if you gave me a year and a half i could explain why |
Please don't post unless you're going to actually post something worthwhile. |
If that's the RULE
Then the majority shouldn't post at all! 
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| Wolf |
| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| Selene wrote: |
If that's the RULE Then the majority shouldn't post at all! |
Yeah, fine, all well and good...but coming in with a post like that is little better than spam.
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| Selene |
| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| Wolf wrote: |
| Selene wrote: |
If that's the RULE Then the majority shouldn't post at all! |
Yeah, fine, all well and good...but coming in with a post like that is little better than spam. |
Oh wolf
I am so glad you are here to point out the rules and keep everyone in check
As well as defining the meaning of spam
I feel so much safer knowing you are on board
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| Wolf |
| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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Very well, if you insist on using the same show of maturity as usual, you can explain to us why posts like this:
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| no they did not. if you gave me a year and a half i could explain why |
...should be applauded, rather than discouraged.
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| Selene |
| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Wolf wrote: |
Very well, if you insist on using the same show of maturity as usual, you can explain to us why posts like this:
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| no they did not. if you gave me a year and a half i could explain why |
...should be applauded, rather than discouraged. |
 Wolfie, you do make me laugh.
Does having the last word count as spam?
who's clapping? I was commenting on your post (spam? if commenting counts as spam) not his.
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| Orleander |
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| so what was going on in China at that time? How old is the Atlantis fable? |
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