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| Garry Denke |
 Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: The Gods |
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The Gods
I believe in all the Gods of the Old Testament.
These are the Gods of King James Version.
But which Gods do you guys believe in?
If any Gods of course. Thanks a lot!
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| I believe in the god of Plano, who has clearly created an alternative universe. |
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| Garry Denke |
| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| Pendragon |
| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: |
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How did you draw these conclusions?
How about these interpretations:
1 great city is eh 1 large city?
12 gates are eh 12 city gates?
12 foundations are 12 villages from which the city evolved?
Doesn't that make at least as much sense as your interpretation? |
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| mitchellmckain |
| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Since we are talking about all the sorts of gods that people believe in I thought I might take a look at all the gods that Christians believe in. Yeah I know they technically only believe in 1 God but they do have very different ideas about this God that we can look at.
There is the jealous God obsessed with His right to our worship, who created all the heavens and everything on earth in order to glorify Himself. Apparently our purpose is to make Him look good and so not only is worshiping other things a big no no, but we are really supposed to love and think of Him first and before anything else, all day long, everyday.
There is the purist God who cannot associate with evil of any kind and human beings are so completely corrupt that everything we do is evil and worthless in His eyes, and thus every thing that seems beautiful, joyful, or creative to us is completely sinful and prideful, and so in order to be acceptable to God we must crush every thought, laugh, or smile of our own to be humble before the Lord.
There is the hard hearted God who finds it very difficult to forgive us because any offense against Him even the smallest bad thought is an infinite offense deserving eternal torment in a place like our worst nightmares called hell, and so we can only be forgiven if a perfect and divine being lays down his life in a blood sacrifice for our sake.
There is the controling God who demands our obedience to every idiotic law that He cares to make and who condemned the first human ancestors for daring to seek the knowledge required to distinguish right from wrong. This must be the God in the Old Testament who commanded people to commit genocide or to sacrifice the one child that they loved because He didn't think we ought to think for ourselves about what is right and wrong.
There is the wrathful God to whom we are nothing but clay pots to do with as he pleases. It is not for us to complain if He takes His anger out on us and sends us to Hell. Apparently we deserve whatever we get and so I guess it is His right to destroy and torment whomever He chooses. Perhaps this is to make the rest of us that much more grateful that it wasn't us.
There is the manipulative God who sets before you this "choice": 1) To believe what the Christians tell you to believe and do what the Christians tell you to do and you will be resurrected to live in eternal happiness. OR 2) To be tortured with unimaginable pain for an eternity. Apparently for those who believe in this God, abject fear of Him is the same as righteousness.
There is the sadistic God that will resurrect the suicide from the dead and to add insult to injury will proceed to torture this poor person for an eternity on top of that. He will do the same to anyone with a bad thought but somehow the above seems particularly cruel and unnecessary to me. Why can't He just leave them alone?
Then there is the humble God, who is gentle and lowly in heart, who not caring anything about being God, set aside all His power and knowledge to become a helpless human infant, and after growing up perfectly blameless to show how we should live, He was mocked and whipped before being excecuted on a cross. This He did this in order for us to get past all the lies and misunderstandings to show how much He loves us and thus to heal our relationship with the infinite God in whom we can find eternal life.
So we can ask the Christian which of these does he believe in?
So what God do I believe in? Well, I am a Christian and maybe it is pretty obvious that it is only the last of these that I believe in because I have have hardly cast any of these other ideas of God in a positive light. In fact, I have no doubt that some Christians will be a little upset by these characterizations and wonder what my problem is. Well, while they are pondering that, I can given them a characterizations of myself for them to consider.
I am a theistic evolutionist who believes in an historical Adam and Eve whose separation from God was not about disobedience but about refusing responsibility for their actions, and that God only did what was best for them. I am a pluralist, who believes that the Bible is the word of God, but that human diversity is also a beautiful creation of God that is part of His work of salvation too. I am an open theist who believes in the immortality of the soul and a God who created us not by design like robots but by encouragement and with the motivations of a parent. I am a born again evangelical who believes that God offers salvation to all but requires us to choose, but not in order to manipulate and control (just to tell us what to believe and do), because He is really all about liberating us from habits which destroy our free will and about helping us to realize our own highest ideals and potentiality in creative talents, so that we will live our lives to the fullest in a relationship with Him.
I am not only not into the purist God but I am not into the whole purist gig of a lot of Christians either. I like D&D and Neverwinter Nights with their oodles of different gods which are just for fun. Why not? I really don't think God minds at all about something like that.
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| Garry Denke |
| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| How did you draw these conclusions? |
Drawn from Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel,
and the Apocalypse of St. John, Sir Isaac Newton, 1733.
the mark, name, image, and number...
Rev. 12
Gravitation - G, the Letter of Gods, the mark.
Gravitation - JESUS, the Word of Gods, the name.
Gravitation - G'S US, the Sentence of Gods, the image.
Gravitation - .666 x 10^-7 space^3/mass-time^2, the Wisdom of Gods, the number.
seven heads (.0000000), three sixes (.666), ten horns (x 10), seven crowns (^-7), and tail (space^3/mass-time^2)
Rev 13
Gravitation - G, the Letter of Gods, the mark.
Gravitation - JESUS, the Word of Gods, the name.
Gravitation - G'S US, the Sentence of Gods, the image.
Gravitation - 666. x 10^-10 space^3/mass-time^2, the Wisdom of Gods, the number.
seven heads (.0000000), three sixes (666.), ten horns (x 10), ten crowns (^-10), and tail (space^3/mass-time^2)
Rev. 14
G, JESUS, G'S US, 6.66 x 10^-8 space^3/mass-time^2
Why not 8? |
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| ENG.M |
| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 12:45 am Post subject: |
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good day everyone,
I believe in whom created me & everything else.
he controls our lives but gave us souls with limited responses to and decisions that we can make.
so he is only one God. the first and the last.
simple!
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| Garry Denke |
| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: |
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Thanks ENG.M!
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| Pong |
| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: |
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| Mitchellmckain, a lucid oasis. I'll bet you could make kool-aid sound appealing. |
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| verzen |
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| ENG.M wrote: |
good day everyone,
I believe in whom created me & everything else.
he controls our lives but gave us souls with limited responses to and decisions that we can make.
so he is only one God. the first and the last.
simple! |
In a debate, you cannot state something exists, end of story. Please, explain... in scientific terms, why you think he exists. Do NOT just say, "Because the bible says so" Because the bible is one big lie... a fairytale if you will. |
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| I believe in the god of Plano, who has clearly created an alternative universe. |
I'd love to travel to an alternate universe, the Star Trek universe would be a good trip. lso you might have more power there Q. 
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| mitchellmckain |
| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:57 am Post subject: |
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| Pong wrote: |
| Mitchellmckain, a lucid oasis. I'll bet you could make kool-aid sound appealing. |
The meaning of this is obscure to me.
So would any Christians like to say which of these Gods I have described do they believe in?
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This is rubbish.
You will always find a pattern if you'll look for it. End of story.
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| mitchellmckain |
| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| Hanuka wrote: |
This is rubbish.
You will always find a pattern if you'll look for it. End of story. |
Yes a lot of "scientific" studies based on statistics have some of the same problems. As an example I was recently asked to read and give my evaluation of a paper on redshift quantization. The consensus of the scientific community is that the author of this "observation", Tift is seeing "shapes in the clouds". We already know that galaxies tend to lie in clusters and strings, and it seems that this is what is behind what Tift is seeing in his statistical analysis.
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| Pong |
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| mitchellmckain wrote: |
| Pong wrote: |
| Mitchellmckain, a lucid oasis. I'll bet you could make kool-aid sound appealing. |
The meaning of this is obscure to me. |
The cyanide Kool-Aid of Jonestown, because you're so cogent it's almost creepy. |
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