| Author |
Message
|
| Demons are real, ask God |
 Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: The Donkey vs the Elephant |
 |
|
Forum Freshman
Joined: 19 May 2008
Posts: 41
Location: The world which I rule...
|
Ok, It's no doubt going to be McCain vs Obama in November.
So the healthy debate i want to set in motion is simple: Who is Bush keeping the chair warm for?
Personally, i think the biggest voting factor in a presidential election is personality rather than party, and on that basis i think it'll be...
Gah i can't decide 
But i don't think Obama has an easy ride though...
So come on guys, what do you think?
_________________
Fat people are harder to kidnap.
"Humanity's insignificance pales in comparison to its ego" |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
| jackson33 |
| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Professor
Joined: 10 Oct 2006
Posts: 1223
|
Demons; Probably until this cycle, in US politics 80% of people voted along party lines, because their parents did or some influence when they first vote. Of the 20%, many do or at least realize that party platforms are important, call themselves moderate this or that or are truly independent and vote their conscience and issues. This year that 80% and about split between the two major party's, are having major problems. It seems media has nominated both those nominees.
You may be right on Obamas clear road to the White House, but it would be more than one 'first'. Many liberal or 'Big Government' candidates have run, been nominated only to lose. Johnson, a liberal, sneaked into the WH when Kennedy was killed and Carter had the help of Nixon's problems when defeating the replacement. The proverbial Mickey Mouse Candidate would have won any of these elections. This year, using the analysis of either party, MM should win or neither base (that 40%) is satisfied with their choice.
A lot depend on VP picks and what happens during the next 5 months, both geo-political and domestically. If the 'War on Terror' goes well, no major attacks in the US or abroad and the economy swings back to the good, McCain in my estimation could win by a landslide. If Obama is indeed the Candidate (have my doubts) and we have problems in Iraq or Iran or the economy more than stumbles, he could win but by a very small margin. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Bunbury |
| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Ph.D.
Joined: 26 Sep 2007
Posts: 773
|
| I think that when the Hillary democrats calm down and remember that "John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned" (quote from his website), and that McCain plans to appoint Supreme Court judges who will accomplish that goal, they will stop their current nonsense about voting for McCain, and Obama will win handily. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Cat1981(England) |
| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Ph.D.
Joined: 09 Sep 2006
Posts: 930
Location: Mind your own business
|
Well i wanted Mrs Clinton to win, but she fell at the first fence. As for McCain and Obama, well, it's six to one, half a dozen to the other isn't it? I've heard virtually zero from McCain over here and an awful lot from Obama. He seem to say change quite a bit which reminds me of Blair a few years ago (god help us).
The way i see it, the ball is in Obama's court. If he can keep the feel good factor around him, make sure his wife doesn't put her foot in it again, and makes sure his priest keeps his mouth shut, then he will be the next president.
_________________
When we talk to God it's called a prayer. When God talks back it's called schizophrenia. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Bunbury |
| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Ph.D.
Joined: 26 Sep 2007
Posts: 773
|
| Cat1981(England) wrote: |
| If he can keep the feel good factor around him, make sure his wife doesn't put her foot in it again, and makes sure his priest keeps his mouth shut, then he will be the next president. |
That is rather insulting to the American electorate. Do you really believe we are that shallow? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Cat1981(England) |
| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Ph.D.
Joined: 09 Sep 2006
Posts: 930
Location: Mind your own business
|
I read an article in Australia a couple of months ago about the presidency nominees. In the article the journalist suggested that if all the nominees were white middle aged men than Clinton would have won by a mile. This is something i agree with.
It's not that i think you lot are shallow, i think every voter on earth is shallow. Look at the European constitution vote in Ireland at the moment. 99% of the people that are voting have no idea what it is about. They are not voting on the constitution, they are voting on the idea of it.
Imagine if tomorrow morning you wake to find Obama or McCain have come out of the closet and confessed to being a muslim. Do you ready think that person would have a hope of getting into power? People don't vote for policy's, they vote for people.
_________________
When we talk to God it's called a prayer. When God talks back it's called schizophrenia. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| jackson33 |
| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:38 am Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Professor
Joined: 10 Oct 2006
Posts: 1223
|
| Bunbury wrote: |
| I think that when the Hillary democrats calm down and remember that "John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned" (quote from his website), and that McCain plans to appoint Supreme Court judges who will accomplish that goal, they will stop their current nonsense about voting for McCain, and Obama will win handily. |
If arguing 'Constitutional Law', many would agree. The 14th Amendment has been used for social engineering for many years. If nothing else, it attacks the religious foundation of a society, denying right to what they all feel is a viable human. Additionally the fetus, is a product of two people, in all cases, but the decision requires only one person to abort. When taken to the extremes it has, minor children or aborting at birth, many people and/or the society itself can and does suffer.
Having said this: I DO NOT think the SC will ever void 'R v W' in total, even with 6-7 Conservative Judges, or do I think McCain's main interest in picking that type judge is for that single issue. Probably for public safety, where pregnant women are already at some risk and knowing abortions will be performed legally or not. Many States would keep legal under State Law and underground abortions would continue, as they did prior to the 1973 decision. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Bunbury |
| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:01 am Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Ph.D.
Joined: 26 Sep 2007
Posts: 773
|
| Cat1981(England) wrote: |
| i think every voter on earth is shallow. |
A silly generalization.
| Quote: |
| People don't vote for policy's, they vote for people. |
Another silly generalization. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| jackson33 |
| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:01 am Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Professor
Joined: 10 Oct 2006
Posts: 1223
|
| Bunbury wrote: |
| Do you really believe we are that shallow? |
Yes and not only shallow, but ignorant to the interest of the Nation over their own. Do you think in the primaries 92-95% of Blacks in each State or near 80% of the young/college students, voted for Obama on issues.
He never mentioned an issue, until after super tuesday...
Cat; Ms. Clinton, of the three was/is the most qualified, IMO for the people she knows to fill post, which always make or break a presidency. I would go on and say, she probably has the highest rating in all the industrialized nations and the respect of the rest, which neither Obama or McCain could achieve.
With out giving 'hope' (where have I heard that), to Clinton followers, the convention has not been held. Legally the candidate has not been picked and presumptive, means just that. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Bunbury |
| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:04 am Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Ph.D.
Joined: 26 Sep 2007
Posts: 773
|
| jackson33 wrote: |
| Bunbury wrote: |
| I think that when the Hillary democrats calm down and remember that "John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned" (quote from his website), and that McCain plans to appoint Supreme Court judges who will accomplish that goal, they will stop their current nonsense about voting for McCain, and Obama will win handily. |
If arguing 'Constitutional Law', many would agree. The 14th Amendment has been used for social engineering for many years. If nothing else, it attacks the religious foundation of a society, denying right to what they all feel is a viable human. Additionally the fetus, is a product of two people, in all cases, but the decision requires only one person to abort. When taken to the extremes it has, minor children or aborting at birth, many people and/or the society itself can and does suffer.
Having said this: I DO NOT think the SC will ever void 'R v W' in total, even with 6-7 Conservative Judges, or do I think McCain's main interest in picking that type judge is for that single issue. Probably for public safety, where pregnant women are already at some risk and knowing abortions will be performed legally or not. Many States would keep legal under State Law and underground abortions would continue, as they did prior to the 1973 decision. |
The topic is "Who is Bush keeping the chair warm for?" not "What are your beliefs about abortion." |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Harold14370 |
| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:12 am Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Professor
Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 1618
Location: Pennsylvania
|
| I think the debates will reveal Obama as an empty suit, who is useless without his teleprompter. Anybody who thinks asthma sufferers do not need to go to the emergency room because they can just use their "breathalyser" is going to run into some serious problems. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| jackson33 |
| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:17 am Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Professor
Joined: 10 Oct 2006
Posts: 1223
|
| Bunbury wrote: |
| I think that when the Hillary democrats calm down and remember that "John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned" (quote from his website), and that McCain plans to appoint Supreme Court judges who will accomplish that goal, they will stop their current nonsense about voting for McCain, and Obama will win handily. |
Just a reply to YOUR comment. Seems you have an agenda on the issue, which IMO is flawed and no reason to vote FOR incompetency. Incidentally most of the SC Judges WERE Republican nominated and nothing has changed (R v W)....Why in the future???
Harold; The "57 STATES" got me, but virtually every off the cuff statement or answer, shows signs of ignorance (or arrogance) on many subjects and/or issues. Dictating what can be discussed, not my name, not my wife, not my ears, not my church, just a few, is also irritating. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Bunbury |
| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Ph.D.
Joined: 26 Sep 2007
Posts: 773
|
| Harold14370 wrote: |
| I think the debates will reveal Obama as an empty suit, who is useless without his teleprompter. Anybody who thinks asthma sufferers do not need to go to the emergency room because they can just use their "breathalyser" is going to run into some serious problems. |
All the candidates made their share of gaffes, and I don't think this one of Obama's particularly stands out from the run of the mill. However, I do share your concern about his real depth on the issues. I think Clinton would have been the better candidate and the better president. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Harold14370 |
| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Professor
Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 1618
Location: Pennsylvania
|
| Bunbury wrote: |
| Harold14370 wrote: |
| I think the debates will reveal Obama as an empty suit, who is useless without his teleprompter. Anybody who thinks asthma sufferers do not need to go to the emergency room because they can just use their "breathalyser" is going to run into some serious problems. |
All the candidates made their share of gaffes, and I don't think this one of Obama's particularly stands out from the run of the mill. However, I do share your concern about his real depth on the issues. I think Clinton would have been the better candidate and the better president. |
Even if you overlook the "breathalyser" gaffe, what was the man trying to say? That there are people with serious asthma who don't have inhalers? Or they have inhalers but stubbornly refuse to use them, and go to the emergency room instead? This is the man that wants to reform our health care system. He's an idiot. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Cat1981(England) |
| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: |
|
|
Forum Ph.D.
Joined: 09 Sep 2006
Posts: 930
Location: Mind your own business
|
Bunbury, they probably were silly generalisations, but Obama has gone from third place in the middle of 2007 to first place in 2008, and beat the once unstoppable Clinton in the process in under 12 months. As Jackson points out, anyone can see the clearly defined ethnic, racial, gender and income social groups in peoples voting patterns.
Of the 8 original democratic party candidates, none of them had any policy's which promoted them far and above or bellow any of the other nominees, and yet you still ended up with two nominees after the others realised they didn't have a hope of winning. It seem pretty clear to me why the two most high profile and well funded candidates made it to the end.
The current policy's of Obama and McCain follow traditional party lines. With the exception of the candidates Iraq/Iran policy's, this election IMO will be fought on personal issues.
_________________
When we talk to God it's called a prayer. When God talks back it's called schizophrenia. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
