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| mastermind |
 Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:43 am Post subject: Rape is traumatic. |
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Why is rape so traumatic?
Especially if experienced in childhood?
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| serpicojr |
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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Fear, misunderstanding, panic, pain, suffering, anxiety, feeling of violation. Its pretty much evident if they all roll into one that it is traumatic. Sex is the most personal thing to oneself, it must be evil fro a child to experience it, the poor souls don't even understand whats happening. Oh God I don't even want to think about it. Its terrible. Leave it at that.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: |
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I know this is a very offensive question.
Okay let's not talk about children.
Let this aside.
But rape in general.
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition wrote: |
| Fear, misunderstanding, panic, pain, suffering, anxiety, feeling of violation. Its pretty much evident if they all roll into one that it is traumatic. Sex is the most personal thing to oneself, it must be evil fro a child to experience it, the poor souls don't even understand whats happening. Oh God I don't even want to think about it. Its terrible. Leave it at that. |
Precisely. The only thing I'd add to the list of offenses is humiliation. |
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| i_feel_tiredsleepy |
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| Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is almost always associated with feelings of helplessness. The inability to get out of a situation you don't want to be in, some people can dissociate from their realities, but most (especially children) can not detach and thus become traumatized. |
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Rape thats agreed upon by both parties can be
pretty kwel though... 
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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If its consent, it ain't rape mate. Don't make fun of this kind of topic, people can be very sensitive to it so try and keep the jokes to another thread please. I'm offended by your comment. Even if it is fun to you and you like actively fantasising and performing it with your partner, I and I think everyone else here doesn't want to hear about it.
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if it offends you then don't read it. haters be left to grill you know.
some of us are interested in the psychology of rape victims. or perhaps people who have rape fantasies.
I for one would like the discussion to continue
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425 was not objecting to a continuation of the discussion, but to flippant remarks such as those apparently made by Hanuka. 425's observations on the matter match those of this moderator almost exactly. I shall be watching this thread closely and will delete inappropriate posts without further warning.
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he was just saying that he enjoyed rape fantasies. doesnt seem that flippant
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| he was just saying that he enjoyed rape fantasies. doesnt seem that flippant |
It was flippant enough for me and - I would suggest - for anyone who has thought through the major aspects of this issue in a mature fashion.
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| organic god wrote: |
| he was just saying that he enjoyed rape fantasies. doesnt seem that flippant |
It was flippant enough for me and - I would suggest - for anyone who has thought through the major aspects of this issue in a mature fashion. |
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Hanuka posts in that style in every thread.
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Rape is traumatic as it is a violation of the most intimate of personal spaces.
To the thread starter...
consider this
How do you feel when a stranger steps everso slightly within your personal body space boundary. You feel a tiny bit uncomfortable, yet there is no physical contact. Something happens that you find distressing and the feeling will increase the longer they remain inside your space.
You can multiply that feeling several thousand times when a stranger not only comes within your personal body space but enters your actual body in the most extreme way possible. Not only this, they may force you to violate them, to take them in their most intimate space. Your mouth, your anus, your vagina. You might be probed with non biological items, violently so. Rape is not just penetration of a penis. There might be knife wounds, amputations and so on. There might be degrading talk, they may expect you to talk that way too. There might be confinement, sensory deprivation, threats of death to you and your loved ones.
The violations and trauma is immeasurable.
Think again about that person in your personal space.
Now think about the office worker next you, leaving their bag slightly on your side of the desk...how that teeny tiny violation makes you feel.
Again magnify this several thousand times when the violation is in you, on you all around you and you have to possibly emulate the acts performed to you to them.
Rape fantasies are something different
Both parties know no harm is being done physically or mental. It is merely a question of pretending one has power over someone without it, which can be attractive. This can be done via bondage as easily as it can by faking the act of penetrative only style rape. There is no violation of personal space as the penetration is consentual, expected, anticipated and welcomed. It is not at all the same.
Must not confuse the two.
With regard to experiencing this in childhood, greater pain, greater fear, greater confusion, greater sense of powerlessness, trust shattered (usually violated by someone known to them) no knowledge of what to do about this afterwards, no coping mechanisms. May repress the memories until later.
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| Theoryofrelativity wrote: |
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And in most threads I shall tolerate it. Not in this one.
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In another thread I'm trying to sort out the fancy rope tricks at play when we get turned on and view our partners as sex objects, or get excited by porn depicting (ourselves) getting pleasured. There's a loophole in that. I think it has to do with bypass of sympathy. I suspect that rape pulls this knot the wrong way.
If that's true, we could understand rape victims and rapists beyond the trite interpretations. In the past I've said "it's about power" but I suspect there's more going on than that. |
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