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| Schizo |
 Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: Purpose |
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I firmly believe that organisms as complex formations of matter eventually have a purpose in the cosmos. From their complex composition to what they compose; organisms may be just another mechanical property of the universe.
Organisms, or humans to be more exact, can read the language of structure and as such should be able to manipulate that structure and play a vital role in it's existence.
But what does that mean? I think that is a major question people will be searching for in coming years.
What is our purpose in relation to the cosmos?
Would it not be funny to consider that all of our struggles through out the years, all of what we have stood for and believe was merely a means for matter enact something. |
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| Theoryofrelativity |
| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:28 am Post subject: Re: Purpose |
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| Schizo wrote: |
I firmly believe that organisms as complex formations of matter eventually have a purpose in the cosmos. From their complex composition to what they compose; organisms may be just another mechanical property of the universe.
Organisms, or humans to be more exact, can read the language of structure and as such should be able to manipulate that structure and play a vital role in it's existence.
But what does that mean? I think that is a major question people will be searching for in coming years.
What is our purpose in relation to the cosmos?
Would it not be funny to consider that all of our struggles through out the years, all of what we have stood for and believe was merely a means for matter enact something. |
If you look at the way the human body works, with individual cells appearing to work independently yet in fact working towards the common goal of contributing to the overall survival of the total human being then yes, little things do indeed contribute to the existence of bigger things whether they realise it or not.
Meanwhile interesting link which touches on your topic
http://www.schoolofwisdom.com/cosmo.html
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What I find even more fanscinating is consciousness, that at the atomic, and even up to the cellular level, consciousness does not exist; however, join everything up together and you have consciousness.
Maybe our part within the universe is to exist simply as the observer, to break down wave-function potentials.?
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| Pong |
| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:42 am Post subject: Re: Purpose |
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"Purpose" suggests we have a "job" to do for Somebody. Meh.
If we life have our way though we will rock this universe. I wouldn't hesitate to bigbang some portion or maybe all of it into greater fertility (when it comes to walls). On the other hand, if the universe is infinite (both ways) then perhaps life is an all-pervading factor unaccounted for?
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| the human body works, with individual cells appearing to work independently yet in fact working towards the common goal of contributing to the overall survival of the total human being |
You women and your commie cells. A cell is just a dumb helix factory for making more helixes. 
Well, that's the opposite view no different ultimately. Matrioska dolls. Vessels within vessels within vessels. Gaia - what's next? Why do we instinctively look up not down? |
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| Theoryofrelativity |
| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:19 am Post subject: Re: Purpose |
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| Why do we instinctively look up not down? |
eh?
we do both as far as I am aware
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| Pong |
| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:16 pm Post subject: Re: Purpose |
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| Why do we instinctively look up not down? |
eh?
we do both as far as I am aware |
I don't believe you would sacrifice the whole for the good of the parts. E.g. you don't wanna push daisies even if you'd equal a ton of daisies and diverse flowers besides. And you know human speciation is taboo.
For some reason we humans rather aggregate than diffuse. That's one way, of life. |
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| Schizo |
| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Purpose |
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| Pong wrote: |
| "Purpose" suggests we have a "job" to do for Somebody. Meh. |
I believe that the "job" we are doing is not for a somebody (higher power) but rather a something (the mechanics of matter).
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| Pong |
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I believe you're right!
Life is an integral part of the universe. And we can imagine our (human) trajectory being hugely consequential, maybe infinitely so. Yeah, life belongs in the equation... but how?
Right now I'm thinking chirality wars, and fallout from. The 'ol right vs. left. Keeps the pot stirred. So either way we beat the common enemy entropy.
I think that we will cling to the belief we are unique and apart (supernatural), some time yet. |
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| Theoryofrelativity |
| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Purpose |
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| Pong wrote: |
| Theoryofrelativity wrote: |
| Pong wrote: |
| Why do we instinctively look up not down? |
eh?
we do both as far as I am aware |
I don't believe you would sacrifice the whole for the good of the parts. E.g. you don't wanna push daisies even if you'd equal a ton of daisies and diverse flowers besides. And you know human speciation is taboo.
For some reason we humans rather aggregate than diffuse. That's one way, of life. |
Depends what you consider as the 'parts'
Most parents would sacrifice their whole for their 'parts', their parts being their children.
Meanwhile can you write with less.......and more...... thanks.
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| Pong |
| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: Purpose |
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| Theoryofrelativity wrote: |
| Pong wrote: |
| Theoryofrelativity wrote: |
| Pong wrote: |
| Why do we instinctively look up not down? |
eh?
we do both as far as I am aware |
I don't believe you would sacrifice the whole for the good of the parts. E.g. you don't wanna push daisies even if you'd equal a ton of daisies and diverse flowers besides. And you know human speciation is taboo.
For some reason we humans rather aggregate than diffuse. That's one way, of life. |
Depends what you consider as the 'parts'
Most parents would sacrifice their whole for their 'parts', their parts being their children.
Meanwhile can you write with less.......and more...... thanks. |
I thought the family is the whole, the mortal individuals the parts. Maybe it's cultural. Anyway, the whole vs. the part is one of those contradictions all life must struggle with, including entities we don't normally rate living, like Korea, television, and metric machine screws.
You could say standard metric thread is just a means to the screws' end of greater reproduction. Or you could say screws are expressions of metric, i.e. they serve engineering - an abstract not the thing itself. Who's the boss? Ever feel like a cog?
It just occurred to me that screws, since they'll occur anyway, better propagate through variation and even incompatibility. In my garage collection of odd screws, screws have obviously won the war. All I can do is allow fresh screws to fill out each species, each one endangered. It feels like they've conspired to fill the shelves. |
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| Eisho |
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Interesting topic.
I believe our purpose is to achieve harmony, internally within ourselves and externally with both the cosmos and the dimensions that exist beyond our cosmos.
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| Pong |
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| If you push your brand of "harmony" with fanatical zeal, Eisho, then OK life must keep in motion. But don't go all passive alright? |
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I don't think that there is any purpose for life's existence.
We humans are higher developed animals, nothing more.
We have, however, succeeded in developing in such a degree that we have built something we call "culture".
The purpose of human existence is an illusion. It is constituted by the symbolic order.
If there WAS a purpose, we shouldn't bother about what to do since the purpose is there and determined.
However, since there is no purpose, we all can make the best of us.
That there is actually no meaning in life can be seen by looking at some mental disordered people. The illusion in them breaks down to a certain degree and thus they are confused and depersonalized.
Their symbolic reality doesn't function as well anymore.
The "I" is a useful tool of us humans to apply in our lives.
We can ask for the purpose of the "I", or of consciousness, but we can't ask for the purpose of life, since there is none.
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| Eisho |
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| Pong wrote: |
| If you push your brand of "harmony" with fanatical zeal, Eisho, then OK life must keep in motion. But don't go all passive alright? |
No, there's nothing passive about what I practice and teach. The exact opposite in fact.
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| It seems all to odd that the universe has worked out perfectly for humanity's survival. Maybe the only purpose we have is to take advantage of how fine tuned the universe is for us. |
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