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| newcastle |
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 9:58 pm Post subject: ATTENTION:People Of The Earth Planets Don't Exist. |
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[~] = divide bye!
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ILLUSION 1: Venus (diameter) 12,103.6 km ~ Moon (diameter) 3476 km = 3.4820 times larger then Moon, for Venus to look the same size of the Sun as the Moon does from Earth, we would have to calculate the distance of the Moon from the Earth and multiply it 3.4820 times.
Venus is 3.4820 times larger then the Moon, therefore, a distance 3.4820 times away from Earth is needed to create the same optical illusion the Moon does with the Sun.
Moon distance from Earth: 384,400 km x 3.4820 = 1,338,480.8 km.
Venus would have to be 1,338,480.8 kilometers away from Earth to look the same size of the Sun as the Moon does from Earth. And since the Earth is 149,600,000 km away from the Sun, Venus would have to orbit at 148,261,519.2 from the Sun.
[149,600,000] - [1,338,480.8] = 148,261,519.2 km.
Science-fiction tells us that Venus occupies the 108,200,000 km position from the Sun, a (difference) of 40,061,519.2 km from Earth, if we take the (hypothetical orbit) of where Venus would appear to have the same size of the Sun from Earth (1,338,480.8 km) and divide it with the (difference) we'd have an approximate of what Venus really looks like in size when viewed from Earth compared to the Sun in her original orbit.
40,061,519.2 (divided) by 1,338,480.8 = 29.93
Venus in her original orbital position loses 30% the size of the Sun as it appears on Earth in our skies.
The Scientistic Radicals will argue that Venus fits 114.84 times along the Sun’s diameter and that to cover the whole surface disk area of the Sun you would need 13,189 images of Venus, this is incorrectly false, here is the proof of that confusing and deceptive scientific lie.
If you would for a moment consider Venus in her hypothetical orbit around Earth where she creates the optical illusion of being the same size as the Sun appears in our skies, Venus at this orbit would appear 100% the same size of the Sun, would fill in all the imaginary 13,189 surface area disk of the Sun. When Venus reassumes her original orbit a certain percentage of that optic, a certain amount of those imaginary surface area disk slots are lost. Lets calculate what percentage and how many surface area disk slots Venus retains in her 108,200,000 km position from the Sun.
ILLUSION 2: On the percentage scale starting at (zero) being the Sun, Venus is 1/13,189 the size of the Sun and all the way-out to her hypothetical orbit of (148,261,519.2) being a 100 percent of the Sun’s size as seen on Earth. When resuming to her original orbit at 108,200,000 km Venus would lose a certain percentage of that optic when viewed from Earth, to calculate that lose we’ll put the hypothetical orbit on a percentage scale and divide into her original position from the Sun.
108,200,000 km ~ 148,261,519.2 km = 72.97% Venus RETAINS in size compared to our Sun as it appears like in our skies. OPTICS
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ILLUSION 3: On the imaginary surface area disk scale Venus is 1/13,189 the size of the Sun and when in her hypothetical orbit (148,261,519.2) Venus covers all the imaginary 13,189 [V] slots, when resuming to her original orbit at 108,200,000 km again a certain amount of these “slots” are lost. Lets calculate how many slots Venus retains when resuming her original position.
13,189 (slots) ~ 148,261,519.2 (km) = 0.000088957 slots per kilometer.
0.000088957 x 108,200,000 (km) = 9,625.1474 slots/13,189
9,622 ~ 13,189 = (72.97%)
When viewing the planet named Venus (optically) she would have the appearance of almost 3/4 the size of our Sun as seen in OUR sky.
Whatever ILLUSION you choose, remember that GOD’S light shines for everyone, this is my ILLUSION of Venus.
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Regards,
The Punisher. _________________ HOUSE OF THE GREAT KING.
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| Either this is the most successful attempt to introduce some comedy or it is just stupid. Every single point of this list can be easily falsified with even the most basic lecture book on astronomy. |
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| marnixR |
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"God, forgive them, for they don't know what they're doing." _________________ if you find this place too crowded or too confrontational, how about trying Philosophorum,
the amicable forum where small is beautiful and even the trolls are intelligent
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| Ophiolite |
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I've moved this to pseudoscience only because we don't have a pseudoreligion sub-forum. _________________ The Universe is not only weirder than we imagine it is weirder than we can imagine. J.B.S.Haldane. |
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| newcastle |
Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| Dishmaster wrote: |
| Either this is the most successful attempt to introduce some comedy or it is just stupid. Every single point of this list can be easily falsified with even the most basic lecture book on astronomy. |
Okay astronomer, single out one point and prove it wrong, you won't be able, that's why you haven't done it. _________________ HOUSE OF THE GREAT KING. |
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| bit4bit |
Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 6:20 am Post subject: Re: THE SUN SHINES WITH GOD'S LIGHT. |
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| newcastle wrote: |
| The Sun doesn't have hydrogen gas or liquid in it, the Sun doesn't fuse atoms to create energy either, its GOD'S light. |
So what about other stars?
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1) Nowhere on earth can you find hydrogen gas, liquid or solid, you must separate hydrogen atoms from water, dead biological
materials and natural gas molecules, were in this universe of yours do you find these materials? |
Hydrogen is one of the most abundant elements on Earth. Most of it is 'trapped' in compounds such as water, as you say....however, hydrogen can be easily liberated from these compounds, and can exist freely in the Earth's atmosphere... and in some volcanic regions, or decomposition of biological matter, it does. Besides, conditions in space, and in the sun, are much different from those on Earth, and in space hydrogen gas clouds exist freely...
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2) Science says the Sun is mostly hydrogen in the form of a gas, but to make it a gas you have to extract it from the element
its bond to, how and what kind of generator does the Sun use to seperate the atoms from whatever material science believes
it gets it from? |
The sun was formed by hydrogen gas clouds coming together, under gravity, until eventually, so much had lumped together that the pressure inside was great enough for fusion. The sun is in fact a plasma..having it's own local magnetic and electric fields.
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3) Were does the Sun find the oxygen for fusion to occur, NASA uses hydrogen as fuel, but can't do anything with it if its not
mixed with oxygen? |
NASA combusts hydrogen chemically in their rockets (i.e. burns with oxygen)...but fusion of hydrogen is a nuclear reaction, made possible by the hugh pressures inside the sun from a huge mass, and hence huge gravity.
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4)What kind of a reactor does the sun use to control and sustain a steady flow of this fusion from not becoming a chain reaction
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At this stage in a stars 'lifetime' there is a steady balance between the stars' gravity pulling inward, and the pressure inside from the heat of the reactions pushing outwards.
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5) How do the atoms fuse, with no friction, there's no friction in outer space, how do they heat up to fuse?
Don't even think about gravity, with no air you still have no friction, you need an atmosphere for friction (air), when they landed
on the moon, there was no friction, yet there was gravity! |
The atoms fuse since they are under great enough pressures for the hydrogen nuclei to get close enough for the strong nuclear force to become greater then the electrostatic repulsion between them. They exist in such a state, as a plasma, which is state of matter comprising freely flowing charged particles, and occurs under the gravitational pressure of the sun. _________________ Chance favours the prepared mind. |
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| newcastle |
Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 6:48 am Post subject: Re: THE SUN SHINES WITH GOD'S LIGHT. |
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| bit4bit wrote: |
| So what about other stars? |
Don't talk about places that you haven't been to, like stars or Heaven, stick to the places you know, earth.
| bit4bit wrote: |
| hydrogen can be easily liberated from these compounds, and can exist freely in the Earth's atmosphere... and in some volcanic regions, or decomposition of biological matter, it does. Besides, conditions in space, and in the sun, are much different from those on Earth, and in space hydrogen gas clouds exist freely... |
Precisely, those conditions make all the difference, on earth, the living planet acts as generator, this is why the planet is able to liberate the above mentioned, in space there is no life.
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| The sun was formed by hydrogen gas clouds coming together, under gravity, until eventually, so much had lumped together that the pressure inside was great enough for fusion. The sun is in fact a plasma..having it's own local magnetic and electric fields. |
Pressure is friction. No air, no friction.
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| NASA combusts hydrogen chemically in their rockets (i.e. burns with oxygen)...but fusion of hydrogen is a nuclear reaction, made possible by the hugh pressures inside the sun from a huge mass, and hence huge gravity. |
Again, friction. No air, no friction.
| bit4bit wrote: |
| At this stage in a stars 'lifetime' there is a steady balance between the stars' gravity pulling inward, and the pressure inside from the heat of the reactions pushing outwards. |
Stick to the places that you know, earth.
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| The atoms fuse since they are under great enough pressures for the hydrogen nuclei to get close enough for the strong nuclear force to become greater then the electrostatic repulsion between them. They exist in such a state, as a plasma, which is state of matter comprising freely flowing charged particles, and occurs under the gravitational pressure of the sun. |
Friction, heat generated friction, extreme heat, without it, there can be no fusing of atoms, upon the colliding atoms there is contact, it is that contact that is friction. No friction, no fusion, no science, no theory, get you're money back from the schools. _________________ HOUSE OF THE GREAT KING. |
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| Scifor Refugee wrote: |
| My guess is that he's a troll, and is probably getting a kick out of anyone who tries to give a serious reply. |
I'm getting more than a kick, you're science is comical. _________________ HOUSE OF THE GREAT KING. |
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just out of interest, where do you get your idea from that pressure equals friction ?
if i remember anything about the physics of friction, it's all to do with surface roughness and forces between bodies - where's your pressure enter the equation ? _________________ if you find this place too crowded or too confrontational, how about trying Philosophorum,
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:52 am Post subject: |
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Newcastle, you are either a troll or an idiot. (If the latter, your particular brand of idiocy could well give idiots a bad name.)
As long as you continue to provide entertainment value I shall let your posts in this thread continue. If you attempt to infect any other threads your posts will simply be deleted.
Ophiolite _________________ The Universe is not only weirder than we imagine it is weirder than we can imagine. J.B.S.Haldane. |
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| Ophiolite wrote: |
Newcastle, you are either a troll or an idiot. (If the latter, your particular brand of idiocy could well give idiots a bad name.)
As long as you continue to provide entertainment value I shall let your posts in this thread continue. If you attempt to infect any other threads your posts will simply be deleted.
Ophiolite |
Thank you sir, I'll do my best to amuse you within this thread alone. _________________ HOUSE OF THE GREAT KING. |
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| newcastle |
Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| just out of interest, where do you get your idea from that pressure equals friction ? |
I drive a stick shift, the pressure plate of my vehicle eases off the friction when I hit the clutch pedal, allowing me to change gears. _________________ HOUSE OF THE GREAT KING. |
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