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| Cosmo |
 Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:10 am Post subject: Nature as GOD |
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Why I believe NATURE is GOD
Nature is the ONLY creator of all life. The female being the most important of the pairs. The male acts as the protector and servant.
Nature has created food for us all and it is free.
Nature has given all creatures its clothing. Almost all pairs (female and male) wear the same clothing.
Nature is a liberal GOD because it has made no laws but gave us genetic and biological characteristics to govern our lives.
Nature requires no licenses to reproduce or any other licenses for that matter.
Hence, no costly marriages.
It has created the food chain as our burial sites, hence no funerals.
It has given us our own doctors with the 'immune systems' within us.
It requires no rituals, tithes or taxes, forced attendances and etc.
It grants no property ownerships, patents or any other grants to create millionaires or billionaires.
It has given us complete freedom with no restrictions.
It is a merciful GOD because it does not suffer us by prolonging death and even tempers this brief interim with the endorphin pain killers.
It allows post abortion (carnivore consumption of newborns) and the food chain in the sea and ocean life to limit population imbalances.
Socialism is about the closest political system to NATURE because it
gives us the essential needs and freedoms and yet takes care of our lives with these necessities.
The bible is at complete opposition to Nature.
It promotes a deity that demands absolute obedience with the first three commandments. The last six can be considered generic and are OK.
It’s deity is a genocidal deity.
It portrays sex as a sin. This is nonsense. Only perverse sex can be considered to be sinful.
It portrays the males as chauvinists. In our current culture, the males dominate and use the females as slaves while they consider themselves to be the masters.
It portrays the females as the sinners and a fruit from a tree as a sin if eaten. This is a blatant falsehood. Fruit and vegetables are our proper food source because they can be eaten raw.
This also insults the Apes as eating the fruit of the trees.
It promotes racism by forbidding cross marriages outside the Jewish peoples culture and insults the apes that represent the darkness with the Moon as it symbolic source.
This book does not represent truth.
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| Rationalist |
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You have got to be kidding me. Wow, that is very creative. Of course, utterly superfluous. Why would you need to give nature another name like God? You list these characteristics of nature, then compare it to these ideas about a religious God, then say God is nature. This makes no sense. And you're not even on the mark with your statements. . .
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| Nature has created food for us all and it is free. |
Food acquisition is costly in terms of energy, and organisms are dying every second attempting to obtain it. It is hardly free in any sense.
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Nature is a liberal GOD because it has made no laws but gave us genetic and biological characteristics to govern our lives.
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No, it doesn't have some kind of legislature, but how can you say it doesn't make laws?! It is laws!
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| It allows post abortion (carnivore consumption of newborns) and the food chain in the sea and ocean life to limit population imbalances. |
Yup, gotta love that infanticide. mmmmmmm
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| It is a merciful GOD because it does not suffer us by prolonging death and even tempers this brief interim with the endorphin pain killers. |
Merciful?! Get real. I shouldn't have to name the diseases for you to know that mercy and lack of pain is hardly something that nature provides.
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| It has given us complete freedom with no restrictions. |
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
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Socialism is about the closest political system to NATURE because it
gives us the essential needs and freedoms and yet takes care of our lives with these necessities. |
Maybe nature is socialism. It is also probably neo-isolationist because some organisms live in isolation to others. Also, it must have something to do with Keynesisan theory, where the state is represented on the community level and the organism the private sector.
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| It’s deity is a genocidal deity. |
Nature has wiped out entire groups of individuals with famine and disease. I think nature qualifies as being genocidal. It kills everything. Life continues only because of killing and consuming. It is what I call the Circle of Death (as opposed to the euphemized circle of life).
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| It portrays sex as a sin. This is nonsense. Only perverse sex can be considered to be sinful. |
Why is perverse sex a sin? What is perverse sex? You get that from the Bible or something?
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It portrays the females as the sinners and a fruit from a tree as a sin if eaten. This is a blatant falsehood. Fruit and vegetables are our proper food source because they can be eaten raw.
This also insults the Apes as eating the fruit of the trees.
It promotes racism by forbidding cross marriages outside the Jewish peoples culture and insults the apes that represent the darkness with the Moon as it symbolic source. |
Now I know you must be kidding. Your nature theory is as superfluous and muddled as your ideas on the Universal Mind. It appears as if it is the product of a long day of creative, and wishful thinking. If you don't believe in the God of these religions then why are you still trying to fit its concept onto something? Stop trying to personify the impersonal forces that govern this Universe.
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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Intersting theory (take note everyone else that is the polite way to respond), however nature being God itself is not sentient, or so it seems, so therefore how can a non-sentient being create all that is? Your saying technically that casuality is God. Is that right?
PS Not being hostile here, just addressing a few ideas  .
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| sherif003 |
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Nature is what you see all around of you !
my friend, look inside of you, feel by your conscience,
You don't feel that you are superior then that nature !
you don't feel that nature is under your control !
if nature is the creator, how she died by the time !
In many cases, man defeated nature ! Nature is a creature !
So, It must be a creator behind this nature, ! |
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| marnixR |
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| Rationalist wrote: |
| You have got to be kidding me. Wow, that is very creative. Of course, utterly superfluous. Why would you need to give nature another name like God? |
surely you know that 'GoD' stands for 'Generator of Diversity' ?
that's what nature does best
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| TvEye |
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| Obviously |
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| Www.frostfirezoo.com/Atheist-sees-image-of-big-bang-in-piece-of-toast |
Ahaha!  
Toast stories are always funny 
Thanks for that!
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| Cosmo |
| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: |
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Food acquisition is costly in terms of energy, and organisms are dying every second attempting to obtain it. It is hardly free in any sense.
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I am a Vegan (total vegetarian).
The elaphants, rhinos, and other herbavores are surrounded by food.
No problem here.
Sure, other animals take some risk but hene , the risk is small.
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No, it doesn't have some kind of legislature, but how can you say it doesn't make laws?! It is laws!
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The biological lifeforms are not regulated by laws.
Only the physical realm conplies to some degree by laws.
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gotta love that infanticide. mmmmmmm
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Merciful?! Get real. I shouldn't have to name the diseases for you to know that mercy and lack of pain is hardly something that nature provides.
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Yes. The person that is more generally a child has a fighting chance to overcome the disease with a fever and its own immune system..
This is done to prevent any imbalances in Nature that happens in the human sector like the Islamic 'people bombs'. Do the 'infedels' here have a chance?
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Why is perverse sex a sin? What is perverse sex? You get that from the Bible or something? |
Departure from using sex the natural way is considered to be sin.
Eating the fruit from a tree as the bible teaches is an insult to the apes.
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Now I know you must be kidding. Your nature theory is as superfluous and muddled as your ideas on the Universal Mind. It appears as if it is the product of a long day of creative, and wishful thinking. If you don't believe in the God of these religions then why are you still trying to fit its concept onto something? Stop trying to personify the impersonal forces that govern this Universe. |
I wrote this concept because I consider the bible to be ludicrous as gods word.
Do you believe in the bible?
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| Cosmo |
| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition wrote: |
Intersting theory (take note everyone else that is the polite way to respond), however nature being God itself is not sentient, or so it seems, so therefore how can a non-sentient being create all that is? Your saying technically that casuality is God. Is that right?
PS Not being hostile here, just addressing a few ideas . |
Isn't the bible being used as a reference?
Well, a picture is worth a thousand words.
What has the bible invented or promoted its work of art? It is just words
and human art.
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| Cosmo |
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| sherif003 wrote: |
Nature is what you see all around of you !
my friend, look inside of you, feel by your conscience,
You don't feel that you are superior then that nature !
you don't feel that nature is under your control !
if nature is the creator, how she died by the time !
In many cases, man defeated nature ! Nature is a creature !
So, It must be a creator behind this nature, ! |
It is my feelings of sorrow for the animals that prompted me to revere Nature.
Humans do not rule over Nature!
It is the WEAPONS in their hands that allow this.
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| Obviously |
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I'll see if I can put my thoughts into this...
By saying nature is God, you are, in a way, saying that you are in some way a naturalist, yes? I mean, you don't believe in anything supernatural. You only have a belief in the natural, which is a bit wierd (not meant to be offensive). I used to have a belief in God once, since pretty much the whole community I am living in also believe in God, but I've always liked to think about things, and the thing that really bugged me was that God is supposed to be beyond understanding. It was quite obvious that if he was beyond our understanding then it would be pointless to try and understand God, but yet we do have concepts of God. After this thought I moved on to try and rationalize God, trying to explain his supposed existence. I came across ideas that God was nature as a whole, like you, but moved further on until I decided God must be some form of pure energy. Again I tried to further rationalize God and came to the conclusion that since a certain energy composition/structure is needed (complexity) for God to be conscious, so that this energy has intent, God can't exist at all! I thought that maybe energy formed randomly a conscious mind/a God, but then thought, "yeah, but how long is that going to last? The probability that such energy would randomly create God in enough time to let him do anything at all is absurd."
Perhaps God destroyed himself in that split-second creating the big bang?
etc, etc, etc...
The point here is that no matter how I tried to rationalize the existence of God, the most logical thing was that he was nature in some way, but even that thought had its fallacies. Which leaves me to the biggest assumption of all, that you either are becoming an atheist... or... that you've stopped where you are in your rationalizations for whatever reason(s) and come to the conclusion that nature is God.
Anyhow, to this day I find the concept of a creator irrational and inconsistent, because IF there is a supreme being out there we cannot even percieve, then it's pointless to even think about it, even more pointless to worship it in any way. If it doesn't care about us, then we don't have to care about it. To me, the concept of a creater is nothing more than wishful thinking.
But the idea that God is nature is kind of pointless. Nature is nature, unless you see reality as a supernatural thing?
Did I write all this? Wow! Sorry for the long bit in the beginning!
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| But the idea that God is nature is kind of pointless. Nature is nature, unless you see reality as a supernatural thing? |
Yes, what he said. That is what I mean by saying that calling nature "God" is superfluous. Use Occam's Razor.
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| Cosmo |
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Obviously and Rationalist:
Let me clarify what I mean by 'Nature as GOD'.
The bible is used as a reference for most of the western religions.
It is being used as a 'teacher' of morality?
Well, there is no greater teacher than Nature. All religions are derived from Nature.
The bible is just words.
Nature is 'pictures'.
So you know the old saying thst a picture is worth a thousand words.
I have analyzed the bible and have come to conclusions that it is completely false except the existance of the 'evil' spirit YHWH that is portayed as the Jewish god.
They say this word should not be spoken and unpronounceble.
Well, when you look at the captions for Jewish names, I have noticed that my name (Michael) has the caption 'who is liike god'. Wow! I am like god?
So my name is derived from 'milk', mammal, mother, man and are associated with the Apes. So I am proud of being an ape (evolved, that is). But milk is 'white'!
So I came to the conclusion that their god is also white?
Being portrayed as a creator god, there is only one conclusion and that is the male ejacta (new word, noun) ha ha.
So than their portayal of the women as sinners is 'false'.
The males would have to be the sinners, since after they drop their balls,
(sorry to be so blunt) they start using their hands. Ha ha.
So now you can see why I refute the bible as erroneous.
So now I look to Nature as my teacher and than I can catecorize it as Naturalist' that is a religion because it is a teacher. We learn from Nature.
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guess we've gone full circle. back in the ancient days they made deities for each force of nature, so if you wanted good harvests you prayed to the god of harvests and such.
then along came the monotheistic god whom you prayed to for everything.
and after that is atheism, or the abolishment of any sort of deities.
and now you're suggesting that nature is god.
essentially the belief that nature is the deity of everything.
i'm sure you'll be able to pull a horde of gullible people with a desire for spiritual guidance into this though.
you can start off with self-help courses, get some actors to promote it,
eventually you can ask them to pay you for each session,
and after a while demand you get official status as a religion.
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| Cosmo |
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| dejawolf wrote: |
guess we've gone full circle. back in the ancient days they made deities for each force of nature, so if you wanted good harvests you prayed to the god of harvests and such.
then along came the monotheistic god whom you prayed to for everything.
and after that is atheism, or the abolishment of any sort of deities.
and now you're suggesting that nature is god.
essentially the belief that nature is the deity of everything.
i'm sure you'll be able to pull a horde of gullible people with a desire for spiritual guidance into this though.
you can start off with self-help courses, get some actors to promote it,
eventually you can ask them to pay you for each session,
and after a while demand you get official status as a religion. |
I am not a chauvinist like the OT teaches. Chauvinists are 'self serving'.
What you suggest is to use my religion as a 'business'.
Sorry, but I prefer to just promote the truth as Nature teaches without using a cup for 'handouts'. Besides, I do not have that 'sale-ability' to sell since the truth does not sell.
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