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| KALSTER |
 Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: Matter-manifold hypothesis |
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Lets for the moment say that space itself is infinite and all matter was created in a small area as a result of spontaneous vacuum polarization. Also assume that all matter are nothing more than folded up space and the spontaneous annihilation of matter according to their respective half lives are in fact the folded space unfolding in an instant, sending the most basic ripples possible (photons) in all directions, according to the as yet unknown propagating attributes (viscosity variables) of space. The expansion of space might be a result of the slow unfolding of all matter. So in thermodynamic terms, matter was created from nothing, but eventually it will revert to a neutral matter free state, effectively canceling out the imbalance? 
To illustrate the folding of space as in the case of matter, imagine an infinite volume of very soft and elastic rubber. Now imagine tweezers that does not interact with the rubber, except for the tip. Now close the tweezers, gripping, say, a Planck length size of space. Twist it around in all directions making a few revolutions in every direction. Now imagine how the rubber would stretch around the spot where the particle has been created. Imagine the color changing according to the tension in that part of the rubber. Release the tweezers and the new particle stays there. Making another particle right next to it would put further tension in the rubber, increasing the circumference of the color change (gravity) as well as the degree of color change close to the two particles. To illustrate some idea of other forces, lets think of space as long piece of, say, steel cable .When a fast up and down movement is made, a transverse, two-dimensional wave is created that travels along the length of the wire. This illustrates the movement of standard particles like protons through space. If you tap the cable with a hammer, a sound is created whose speed is limited by the material properties of the cable. This longitudinal wave travels at a much faster (and maximum) rate than the transverse wave of normal matter and illustrates a photon. The speed of the matter-wave would be susceptible to the speed of the up-and-down movement (resultant force) and would increasingly be negatively affected by the elastic rebound pressure and internal friction. It would travel faster when the amplitude is smaller accompanied by increased speed in the up-and-down movement until the wave becomes small and energetic enough for it to propagate longitudinally. This illustrates the speed of light limit.
Ridicule away. 
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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You sir have inspired and given hope to my theory for time travel. Bless you! This is wonderful, have you come up with this theory KALSTER? It is a remarkabley clever idea. One point I must add however, is it possible that they 'rubber bands' are that bend and conorted with kinks that the art of a part of it unfolding is impossible? By that I mean the conortion of one 'band' cancels out the others chance of unfolding and vice versa.
Great idea  .
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| KALSTER |
| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| This is wonderful, have you come up with this theory KALSTER? It is a remarkabley clever idea. |
Thanks! Yes I did, but am fully expecting ridicule.
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| One point I must add however, is it possible that they 'rubber bands' are that bend and conorted with kinks that the art of a part of it unfolding is impossible? By that I mean the conortion of one 'band' cancels out the others chance of unfolding and vice versa. |
Say again?
PS: Mods, can this be moved to pseudoscience please? I have no illusions.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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I'm assuming that your first paragraph is your theory.
By folding, do you mean that a further extent to the matter than we can see, is composed of hidden extra dimensional substrates that can neither react with known matter or allow for any resultant causation?
So in thermodynamic terms, matter was created from nothing, but eventually it will revert to a neutral matter free state, effectively canceling out the imbalance?
But, by saying that matter was created from "nothing", doesn't that also mean that there was nothing to create matter in the first place? I would think that there would need to be at least some minuscule catalyst to the universes formation from the start.
Making another particle right next to it would put further tension in the rubber.
But how are these particles made? Why would tensioning the elastic bands cause these effects?
In your second example, it seems like your making a more simplistic process more complicated than it needs to be. Are you basically trying to say that the properties of space time itself, have various limiting properties?
Isn't the speed of light, the discharge speed equivalent of quantum theory? And, isn't it also the particle with the least resistance, if any, in the vacuum of space? Well, then it is only the speed of the highest velocity discharge that we know of, it doesn't mean that there isn't another process that could succeed the discharge speed of a photon. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Oooops, I guess thats not how you quote....so, how do you quote someone again? |
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| KALSTER |
| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| By folding, do you mean that a further extent to the matter than we can see, is composed of hidden extra dimensional substrates that can neither react with known matter or allow for any resultant causation? |
The matter would be analogous to the transverse wave in the steel cable, only more curled up in different directions. Matter would then travel like the transverse wave, in that it is only the curled-up shape that travels, so it would be susceptible to the elastic rebound pressure of space. As the matter moves faster, this rebound pressure would apply a greater and greater force in the opposite direction. Like the difference between falling into water from 1 meter and 50 meters. The more the force to deform the water is applied faster, the more inertia and internal static- and kinetic friction become prevalent (analogy to space).
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| But, by saying that matter was created from "nothing", doesn't that also mean that there was nothing to create matter in the first place? I would think that there would need to be at least some minuscule catalyst to the universes formation from the start. |
As I understand it, virtual particles can spontaneously be created in empty space like in vacuum polarization. So with space and time being indefinite in this scenario, a huge creation event could have happened. However small the chance of that happening, given enough time, it would eventually happen. The initially created matter could even provide some EM fields to facilitate the creation of more matter in a sort of chain reaction.
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| In your second example, it seems like your making a more simplistic process more complicated than it needs to be. Are you basically trying to say that the properties of space time itself, have various limiting properties? |
The second part is basically an elaborate analogy for you guys to be able to better conceptualize the conditions and the basics of some interactions in the scenario. I am a usually poor at voicing my thoughts, so I hope you can form some idea of what I am trying to get across.
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| And, isn't it also the particle with the least resistance, if any, in the vacuum of space? Well, then it is only the speed of the highest velocity discharge that we know of, it doesn't mean that there isn't another process that could succeed the discharge speed of a photon. |
Yes, I tried to provide the analogy for that. In the steel cable, the fastest wave possible is the longitudinal sound wave produced by tapping it with a hammer. A wave can’t, to my knowledge, travel any faster than that sound wave through its medium (space).
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Hey KALSTER, if all particles are linked by this cable, then in effect when one moves another can move as a result the other side of the universe instantaneously because FTL is possible in higher dimensions, hinting at you know whats it called?
Anyway how does your theory allow FTL again?
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| KALSTER |
| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:51 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, I only used the cable to illustrate how normal matter and massless particles fit into the theory. 
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| OK you call it a theory but should it not be an hypothesis to start with, unless of course you have volumes of data that support it and loads of data that does not refute it. |
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| KALSTER |
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| OK you call it a theory but should it not be an hypothesis to start with, unless of course you have volumes of data that support it and loads of data that does not refute it. |
Yes, good point. It is (currently) nothing more than a (sour?)fruit of my mind.
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| KALSTER wrote: |
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| OK you call it a theory but should it not be an hypothesis to start with, unless of course you have volumes of data that support it and loads of data that does not refute it. |
Yes, good point. It is (currently) nothing more than a (sour?)fruit of my mind. |
I like it. Its a great idea! Type it into your computer and save it. Find something that you'd really like out of it (mine from my theories is a time machine) and then develop it. Theres no rush, take your time. I have, I mean am .
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| KALSTER |
| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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C'mon guys, any comments?
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| Ophiolite |
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What predictions can you make from this hypothesis?
Is there any experiment that could be conducted that would falsify your hypothesis?
I ask this because I am not certain what you are proposing constitutes pseudoscience - provisional, radical, sketchy concept.....yes. But that is not the same thing as pseudoscience.
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| KALSTER |
| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| Ophiolite wrote: |
What predictions can you make from this hypothesis?
Is there any experiment that could be conducted that would falsify your hypothesis?
I ask this because I am not certain what you are proposing constitutes pseudoscience - provisional, radical, sketchy concept.....yes. But that is not the same thing as pseudoscience. |
Good question and this is why I posted it here: to hopefully get some initial feedback as to if this hypothesis would even warrant further investigation. I have no illusions pertaining to my level of physics knowledge, however in my mind’s eye it adds up. There might though be some obvious, off the bat contradictions or violations of currently known laws or theories that would immediately invalidate the hypothesis. This is mainly what I would like some feedback on.
If I had to make a prediction, I would think (from some of the premises of this hypothesis) that the half-life of some particles would change when traveling at high velocities in a particle accelerator. I am not too sure if this would be observable though.
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How does vacum polarization work?
Good thoughts though; even if they are all completely wrong, it does not matter, it is still a good mental exercise.
Are you basing your ideas off of string theory at all? Is your visual representation a literal proposition, or is it just a tool?
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