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| Jeremyhfht |
 Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: Logical fallacies |
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Why are logical fallacies not strictly against the rules? This is supposedly a science forum. That would mean it should enforce rules of proper discussion, and that includes rules of logic.
I would love nothing more than there to be moderator reprimand for either purposeful or ignorant violation. At least then we'd clean up some of the threads so they could be discussed honestly (and without someone reading "how to argue and win").
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| marnixR |
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did i spark this one off ?
in which case, sorry
i do have my moments where i continue to debate just for the sake of it, when common sense should have told me to stop
however, to make this a hanging offense seems rather harsh
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| Jeremyhfht |
| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:56 am Post subject: |
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No. I've observed unfair debating behavior amongst all our members, and if this forum does not make it punishable then it will soon make us even worse. Sciforums.com might be an example of what happens when logic is not enforced.
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| spuriousmonkey |
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since when are you not allowed to be wrong?
Logical fallacies are ok in my opinion. After all, we are directed by an illogical brain.
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| Jeremyhfht |
| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:08 am Post subject: |
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Not really. Fallacies do not make one wrong. That in itself, ironically, is a fallacy. The fallacies I speak of are of the more malignant kind. Such as strawman arguments and the like. Debating to win, rather than for knowledge.
Ah, yes, I also speak of people ignorant of them. If you are ignorant of these very important guidelines, then this forum should teach them before they start posting. If they ignore them, then they probably should not post.
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| scientstphilosophertheist |
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I think we should be lenient on the obviously ignorant people.
But I do agree that there should be some kind of rule against certain fallacies.
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| marnixR |
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the lofty olympic ideal of taking part rather than winning - unfortunately not everyone subscribes to it
the trouble starts when you try to separate the ones that err from the malicious ones
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| Jeremyhfht |
| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:45 am Post subject: |
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Not really. If they err, and are useful to the forum, they'll quickly shape up their act. If not, there is no loss to the forum.
Unfortunately I expect the administration to disagree. God forbid they have to ban someone because of stupidity.
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| captaincaveman |
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i hopei dont fit into that catagory 
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| spuriousmonkey |
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I've never seen anyone on my life who can consistently apply logic.
Makes me wonder if it is possible.
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| Jeremyhfht |
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It depends on how you define logic. Here, I just wish to avoid fallacies. Not constantly apply logic. There is a difference.
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| spuriousmonkey |
| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:29 am Post subject: |
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oh.
ok.
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| Ophiolite |
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| Jeremyhfht wrote: |
| Unfortunately I expect the administration to disagree. God forbid they have to ban someone because of stupidity. |
All right, I don't want to disappoint you - on the first point I disagree. On the second point, rest assured you are still safe. 
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| KALSTER |
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I also started a thread on logical fallacies. What might be a good idea is to make a sticky somewhere containing all the logical fallacies. Then someone can quickly reference it when they are accused of one. Helpful to the ignorant, exasperated, obtuse and to whoever wants to point out an offence. I think this should have been done from the beginning.
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| Neutrino |
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1) People aren't perfect robots. Making logical fallacies against the rules would be a ridiculous expectation
2) People even understanding some fallacies make them but don't realize it and don't agree after the fact that they made one. Likewise people accuse others of making one when they may not have. It's not as black and white as formal logic is. |
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