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 Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:30 am Post subject: King Arthur |
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We've all heard the legends, the myths and the plausible historical account of him-and of course Geoffrey of Monmouth's romantic description, but just exactly who was he really? And why is there strong evidence both for his legendary existence and his more 'bear' warlord existence?
Back in the day, myhtical explanations were favored and the more plausible shunned, today the opposite is true-plausible is favoured and the mythical shunned. It is true you may say that plausiblity is favored as it is more scientifically justifiable-but that is the opinion we were all brought up with-don't forget that science is the best method of describing the world around us, not neccesarily the most efficient. Let's take into consideration when answering this question that both plausible and myhtical explanations are both possible and that we do not close our mind simply because strong evidence points against it-that is not science.
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king Arthur of what contry?
There where manny ... Merlin as wizard ? that king Arthur?
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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| SolomonGrundy wrote: |
king Arthur of what contry?
There where manny ... Merlin as wizard ? that king Arthur? |
Yes. THE King Arthur 
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He was a moron
he did nothing all day he was just stinking up the place since and none of his tales are true.
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In 1944, this creature rose from the swamp, with tremendous strength and some dormant memories that for example allowed him to speak English, but not knowing what he was, and not remembering Cyrus Gold or his fate. Wandering throughout the swamp, he encountered two escaped criminals, killed them, and took their clothes. When they asked him his name, he simply muttered that he had been born on Monday. Reminded of an old nursery rhyme about a man born on Monday, the thugs named the creature "Solomon Grundy". |
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I'd say it's actually probably a mixture of both. Merlin was most likely an alchemist though and that nonsense about living backwards through time from The once and future king is just absurd. Most legends are based in reality so while I believe there is a grain of truth in the legends of King Arthur I also think that over the centuries since his life the story has been repeatedly embellished producing our modern day lore.
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He probably was a real king, but then people just add on details to him to make him seem like a legend o_O? I unnoe lol
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Your American aren't you 
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my personal feeling is he is a composite of many different stories and characters. There are many suspected customs and the like from the iron age and later that can link with elements of the tale like the sword in the stone or lake. Plus historical accounts of people much like him or places fitting the description of Avalon or Camelot. I think the story developed though, through Roman times and into the medieval, taking on aspects of all of these eras. Until we end up with a bastardised truth we have today.
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| was he real? no... is he based on one person? probibly not, he is as real as Don quehota or however he is spelt. |
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| ishmaelblues wrote: |
| was he real? no... is he based on one person? probibly not, he is as real as Don quehota or however he is spelt. |
Don Quijote in Spanish and Portugese, or the traditional English is Don Quixote, plus that is a character from a Cervantes novel which is recognized as fiction lol.
I doubt a true King Arthur ever existed. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| exactly King Arthur is a fictional charicter written about long after the character would have died |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:33 am Post subject: |
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My theory is that Arthur was a great leader who's followers generously allowed legendary tales to be told of him because they so loved him, and wanted his story to never die.
There are very credible accounts of a real king by some name similar to Arthur, and passing references made to other great leaders who are stated to be not quite as great as Arthur. I'm not sure he was really a king either. He might have just been a warlord, or a king, but with a kingdome smaller than the whole isle of Briton.
Merlin was probably a druid or a shaman, and similarly given all kinds of legendary status by the spiritual beliefs of the day. |
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The last legion(movie) has an interesting take on the whole thing
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| I just watched it. It's an interesting idea. What if a legion was left in Britain after the fall of Rome? That would make a good army to use in forging a kingdom that would bring order in a way the local hadn't really known in the past. The order brought by Rome was typically very self serving, but if Rome fell, the same troops could do something else. |
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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Its a bloody American representation of King Arthur! Of A British legend! They've changed history through Holloywood on more than one occasion, and this is no different. People think they were the only ones fighting world war two.
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