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| Faron |
 Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject: Killing jews? |
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You know, since Hitler hated them so much, why not just convert them into something else instead of killing them like they're nothing or killing them like mindless machines?
Wouldn't that have been better than senseless killing? |
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| Pong |
| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| JaneBennet |
| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:37 am Post subject: Re: Killing jews? |
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| Faron wrote: |
You know, since Hitler hated them so much, why not just convert them into something else instead of killing them like they're nothing or killing them like mindless machines?
Wouldn't that have been better than senseless killing? |
You seriously think forcing people to be converted from their own beliefs is a morally acceptable alternative to bloodshed? Well, sure it’s “better than senseless killing” – but that’s not the point. The point is: ethnic cleansing and forced conversion are both crimes against humanity (even if one is considered less serious than the other). All Hitler would be doing would be to commit one crime against humanity rather than another just to placate his irrational hatred of millions of innocent people.
If Hitler hated them so much that he couldn’t take it any more, why not just go and see a psychiatrist or put himself in a mental institution or something? Wouldn’t the 20th century have turned out much better that way?
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| Ophiolite |
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In addition to Jane's comments, remember that Hitler did not hate the Jews simply because of their religion. He considered them (and the Slavs, and the Romanies and the blacks) to be inferior races. That was a primary motivation for him.
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| marnixR |
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after all, if you turned your scapegoat into something else, you'd have to invent another scapegoat, wouldn't you ?
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| icewendigo |
| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: |
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This is a strange question.
Of course Hitler should not have killed any people.
Hitler was evil imo, but people focus too much on a caricature that oversimplifies reality, we good they evil.
History is distorted, its a story, sometimes the fiction is well crafted and makes sense(like a sci-fi movie with a solid plot), sometimes its not as much plausible or has plot holes showing something's wrong with what theyre telling us. In the case of WW1 and WW2 there are things that dont add up in what we have been told imo.
One testimony that appears somewhat plausible if only in part, and that uncovers some of the missing pieces of the puzzle is that of Bejamin Freedman;
In a nutshell, during WW1 when Germany had the upper hand, a deal was struck between zionists(from Germany, GB and the US) and Great Britain to sway the US to join the War in exchage for the Balfour delcaration. After WW1, this would come to haunt jewish people in Germany, as the resentment and segregation started in part due to this(in addition to the scapegoat aspect we all know about), Jews (that is some leaders speaking on behalf of jews) declared a "holy war" against Germany in 1933 which took the form of an economic blockade thath put oil on the fire.
Another aspect seldom covered in history books in the relationship between some industrialists in the US and the Nazi. Some Corporations loved union-braking workers-do-as-your-told-for-the-homeland Nazi Germany (especially in the wake of the Russian revolution). Examining the White House coup attempt against FDR, Smedley Butler's book 'War is a Racket', his address about intervention and the "American Liberty League" who were fascist but advocating libertarian ideals(this should cause people to pause btw) shows other pieces of the puzzle.
These two aspects hint that the historical maelstrom of the two great wars was much more complex behind the scene than most people think. |
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| Hanuka |
| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:03 am Post subject: |
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The whole WWI/II and holocaust thing quite confusts and annoys me... I mean... WHY THE **** didnt people orgenise themselves for hitler assianation missions?!
I mean, its was so ****ing easy to kill ANYONE those days that its funny that hitler wasnt killed within a week of his rising...
I mean... take for example the jews, how many of them died? 6mil? withing those 6mil how hard its to find a few dozen burly men who can come up with a good strategic plan to kill hiter??
I mean, all it takes is just a lazyass sniper rifle, good strategy and good timing and also knowing when hitler be in some place... then BANG! - hitler`s f4cking dead and no more suffering for the folks. and with a decent escape plan those assasins could even save their asses.
Now... who can tell me im wrong? eh?? eh???! |
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| icewendigo |
| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Hanuka, the idea sounds good initially, and it might appear to be better than doing nothing in a way, but Hitler was wasnt alone.
If Hitler had been assasinated, there's a chance Jews would have been accused (that an 'actual' jew had did it for real might have been a bonus for the Nazis), and the new Fhurer might be Himler instead of Hitler, thats about a one letter difference. And if Jews had been blamed for killing Hitler, Im not sure how many would have made it out of Germany, if that had occured when jews were already in concentration camps, the new Fuhrer might have decided to kill all prisoners and simply stop feeding them for a week or two, and that would be the end of it.
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| Hanuka |
| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:16 am Post subject: |
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Ok, then they could of tracked (easly) a party/grouping/whatever of the major heads of the nazis where hitler, himler and all the other sob`s would have practipiated and plant a few snipers at range, send a distraction team and an assoult team to kill all those bastids, snipers could of backed them up and also do the killing.
Even if it was a suicide mission it would of save a lot of lives, and i mean ALOT.
Besides, once you kill the major heads of the nazis there was a great chance that the nazi republic would die out by the time they will get new leaders.
Cut the snakes head and the body fails... |
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| icewendigo |
| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:28 am Post subject: |
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"Cut the snakes head and the body fails..."
Sometimes this is true. But when the serpent is the manifestation of a systemic situation, sometimes another serpent takes its place. Its like removing the water from a puddle(hole) on a rainy day, if the hole is still there and its about to rain chances are water will accumulate again in the puddle in same location and with the same shape.
If you kill the Boss of an organized criminal mob, but the systemic/social conditions that made the criminal gang flourish are not adressed, another lieutenant will take his place, and if you kill that entire gang a completely different gang will take their place(mafia, triad, russian mafia).
But cutting the snakes head definitly works when the situation is right. |
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| Hanuka |
| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Yah, that`s why I`m talking about killing all of the bigones at one shot, this way germany will be left VERY un orgenised without any stupid bastid telling them that they are the best n` shyt.
I mean, the nazi bigshots had some talent at riding the mob, who else could you find with ideals and skills of hitler/himler and all the other leaders to lead the nazis??
It takes time, and in the time of war such steps as cutting the serpents head maybe doesnt kill the body but it indeed leaves it puzzeled and without direction. Which only leaves the allied forces to make a simple attack and whoop the nazis off the face of the earth  |
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| Faron |
| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Forgive me if I'm being ignorant, but the jews look white to me (or most of them)....so, it's a bit confusing.
I agree with you jane, I don't know why nobody recommended him that. Besides, didn't the people used to do the conversion ability long time ago back? In religious wars centuries? So0o0...
Also, do you think it's possible that hitler cheated through elections?
I agree with you hanuka, I'd do the same thing, but I think the snipers were crap then. Today it's probably much more silent and have long distance now.
I also don't like how jews just stood there and waited to die and do nothing. I mean, isn't that weird? I know the nazis were powerful than them, but still.
Geez, more games need to be released based on today's wars or future wars. I've seen enough. |
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| Faron |
| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| One more thing, how come usa and other allies didn't nuke Berlin? Man, they should have....! Nazis would've gave up quick. |
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| Hanuka |
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Well, i dunno the protocol reasons of why didnt they nuke berlin but I assume that they have just gotten the nuke technology and didnt quite knew how things should be done and if they even should be done..
And as for your earlier post i defenelty agree with ya... I mean just standing infront of a rifle waiting to get shot along with your family seems VERY idiotic to me.
If I was doomed to die I would of at least tryed to take some nazi with me before I die.
Besides, it`s a well known fact that the nazi soldiers (peons) were stupid spoild sissy brats, one punch and they are on the floor.
But if you look at the jews they beraley had any flesh/bone left at their bodies so their arm would of probably be broken from that punch...
tricky situation... tricky situation indeed... |
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| icewendigo |
| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:58 am Post subject: |
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There's something I dont get, if Hitler and the Nazi war machine wanted to exterminate jews (or any prisoner), why did they use ressources to feed them at all? Had they not feed the prisoners would their horrific objective not be accomplished in 14 days?
(It doesnt make any sense unless there's something I havent thought about)
And I guess its easier said when your not in the peoples shoes(its hard to predict how we would "really" react in a dramatic situation), but once its clear they want to kill you, like lining up people in front of a soldier with a rifle, I mean try to kick the soldier in the nuts or something, you'll die but its better that doing nothing. Maybe its so horrible that people cant beleive its true, it doesnt compute? Or they think they will survive if they dont rock the boat, can continue thinking this till the very last second? |
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