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| Cold Fusion |
 Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: Flow of Logic |
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Its funny how logic and reasoning works. Take 1,2,3,4,5 as the flow of logic; one being in a nutshell, the farthest away form the truth, and 5 being the truth. Often times when observing a topic I come to conclusion 1. Then as time progresses I reach 2, then 3; but upon reaching 3 I realize that 1 was in fact closer to 5 then 2, so I go back to 1 and reexamine it. Upon reexamination I notice that 2 and 3 are definitively wrong and therefore conceive 4. 4 then makes me realize that 2 and 3 work well together and do not in fact contradict each other, so then I formulate 5 as a means to solve all preceding numbers without contradiction.
The next person following the same topic immediately conceives 2 then jumps to 4, back to 3, then uses 2 and 3 to form 4.5.
Looking at this it was actually beneficial to see 1 first; due to my ability to see a lesser truth I was able to use it as a means to get closer to 5.
Most people believe that 1 is no matter what wrong and bad to the thought process. They are wrong-regardless of how far away form 5 it is, even the most basic thoughts like 1 can prove potent enough to bring you past the threshold of 4.5 into the 5 realm.
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| Pikkhaud |
| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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so what you are saying is like 1
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| Cold Fusion |
| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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very funny
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| Introspect |
| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:32 am Post subject: Re: Flow of Logic |
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If 2 and 3 are wrong then they cannot be used to reach a conclusion which is true (and so 5 can't solve all preceding numbers without contradiction since that would involve making a false premise a true one, which is illogical). So I take it you're not talking about formal logic but rather a more flexible but imprecise form of thinking. From that loose perspective what you say makes some sense. But there are other angles from which this can be viewed...
What if 1 is wrong, as well as 2 and 3? What if 1 or 2 or 3 lead most people into negative numbers and you just happened to avoid that fate?
And even if it isn't wrong, if there is information available to allow you to reach 5 from 0, there's no point in going through 1-4 first unless those are necessary to understand 5. But if someone went straight to 2 and eventually to 4.5, clearly 1 wasn't necessary and there's no reason to assume any of the others were.
Also, considering our subjective interface with reality (i.e., our senses and our brain's construction of perception), if 5 is "the truth" it isn't possible for us to reach it. It'd probably be closer to what actually happens to consider 5 "the truth", at least until we discover 6, then 7, then 8, and so on... |
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| Cold Fusion |
| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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5 is the truth as far as our senses can tell us. As in, if you see an object and were asked what colors compose it, you would say red and green and be correct, when in reality it is red, green, and infrared (if you could call infrared a color).
The idea is that 2 and 3 are wrong as of your current amount of knowledge, not definitively wrong.
Sure you could go strait to 5 from 0, but that would defy the purpose of this thread. 
Nothing is necessary, I only used all of the numbers to show the process in more detail.
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| m1cojakle |
| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| make that into an equation and you have the universal law of EVERYTHING....gg |
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| DivideByZero |
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| so what you are saying is like 1 |
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| miomaz |
| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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holy... I have made an equation out of it and the answer is 42!!!
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| Dlrow |
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If 5 is the truth and there are only 5 numbers, all the other numbers are usless.
We are only using numbers.
These numbers have no meaning in this case, or nothing attached to them.
If i say to you now -
'One of the following numbers is the true number, which one is it?'
1
2
3
4
5
- We will simply be guessing what number is the true number so this entire thing from my perspective is illogical. |
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| miomaz |
| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Logical or illogical, our friends point demonstrates the flow of logic in which we humans happen to think.
An example of the flow of logic (simplified)
so if you think:
a=b;b=c
then
a=c
this is a flawless formula (stupid simple really), though lets say that in reality a is not equal to b, c will be wrong. Still we humans are capable of finding the mistake 'c'. 'c' is the amount of gunpowder to gun down your cow, unfortunately (or fortunately - if you like cows) 'a' was too little, even though it caused quite a blood fountain, your cow is happily eating grass and doing other cow like things.
so now you think:
a≠b --> a≠c
then
b=c
re executing and filling your barrel with b gunpowder and finally blowing out the brains of your cow shows us that b=c.
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| Dlrow |
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To me logic depends alot on what exactly the action is in question.
Surley you shot the cow in the wrong place with gunpowder A?
If you shot it in the eye and through the brain, it would probally die with gunpowder A. |
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| miomaz |
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I forgot to mention that the cow carrys iron goggles. The cow was an example, the point is the flow of logic of the human trying to kill the cow.
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| Cold Fusion |
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- We will simply be guessing what number is the true number so this entire thing from my perspective is illogical. |
It is a pre-made hierarchy that I set up. What you said is like saying, "How do we know that the president is the commander in chief of the military?" It is apparent in the way that you know the government is set up, in the same way that if you read my post and understood my method you should know the system presented.
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