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| Mars |
 Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject: F35 vs. F22 |
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I'm just wondering how the two planes pair up to each other? Is one superior to the other?
It's my understanding that they both provide totally different combat roles and therefore cannot be compared.
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| swampfox |
| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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The F-35 was intended for ground attack and vertical/short takeoff. It can take off on very short runways at the expense of maneuvrability (comparatively - it would still kill any plane other than the F-22 9 times out of 10 without breaking a sweat). The F-22 is designed for air superiority, and would beat the F-35 in a close-up dogfight. At long range, since they are both stealthy, it would probably be a stalemate.
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| DesertRaptor |
| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| In my opinion the F-35 is better than the F-22. But I can't understand why one would need to build F-35's right now. The F-22 is the best air superiority fighter in the world and will continue to be for decades to come. |
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| Elen |
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| I do believe the f-35 was intended to take the harrier's place its kinda like the A-10 it doesnt need to be very manueverable because its designed to support ground forces, whereass the f-22's role is more along the lines of f-16 and f-15 which is air superiority. |
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| ModernMilMan |
| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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Hi guys - new member here.
Just to add a bit to this post - don't the US have an export ban on F-22s. Whereas the F-35 is set to serve with the US military, but also the Royal Navy and Australian Air Force (to name two).
So - could this be one reason why the construction/ production of the F-35 is still going ahead, even if the F-22 might be the better fighter? |
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| Kardiff |
| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:17 am Post subject: |
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if the RAF have the F35 then it could mean 2 things, either it is a good plane, or it is cheap.
F35 and F22 have different roles? So it depends on the situation.
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| ModernMilMan |
| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Kardiff,
No plans at the moment for the RAF to operate JSF (as they have a growing fleet of Typhoons!), but Royal Navy set to operate it from about 2013/2014 I think.
No doubt it'll be a good aircraft
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| Kardiff |
| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:20 am Post subject: |
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fair point, Royal navy would not be happy to be called RAF...
but still my point is that the Navy / RAF have both a history of good planes, they are usual sold to other parts of the world, so if the RAF / Navy have any plane, it is usually a good one! (please do not tell me the whole list of failures I am sure there are a few).
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| Scifor Refugee |
| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:23 am Post subject: |
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EVERYBODY is planning to buy F-35s. The list includes the UK, Italy, Netherlands, Canada, Turkey, Australia, Norway, Denmark, Israel, Singapore, and Brazil...at the moment. India is also thinking about it
As for the F-35 vs. the F-22, the U.S. has always been into having large numbers of relatively cheap "multi-role" fighters that can do both air-to-air combat and air-ground strikes, and a smaller number of much more expensive dedicated "air superiority" fighters whose only job is shooting down enemy jets. At the moment the F-16 is our cheap, multi-role fighter and the F-15 is our expensive air superiority fighter. The plan is to replace the F-16s with F-35s and replace the F-15s with F-22s. Usually many countries who have friendly relations with the US end up buying a bunch of whatever cheap multi-role fighter the US is using for their own airforce - which is why half the world uses the F-16, and so many countries are planning to buy the F-35.
The F-35 is $83 million/plane, while the F-22 is $138 million/plane. |
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| ModernMilMan |
| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| Scifor Refugee wrote: |
EVERYBODY is planning to buy F-35s. The list includes the UK, Italy, Netherlands, Canada, Turkey, Australia, Norway, Denmark, Israel, Singapore, and Brazil...at the moment. India is also thinking about it
As for the F-35 vs. the F-22, the U.S. has always been into having large numbers of relatively cheap "multi-role" fighters that can do both air-to-air combat and air-ground strikes, and a smaller number of much more expensive dedicated "air superiority" fighters whose only job is shooting down enemy jets. At the moment the F-16 is our cheap, multi-role fighter and the F-15 is our expensive air superiority fighter. The plan is to replace the F-16s with F-35s and replace the F-15s with F-22s. Usually many countries who have friendly relations with the US end up buying a bunch of whatever cheap multi-role fighter the US is using for their own airforce - which is why half the world uses the F-16, and so many countries are planning to buy the F-35.
The F-35 is $83 million/plane, while the F-22 is $138 million/plane. |
Good post! 
http://www.armedforces-int.com/projects/combat-aircraft/f35-lighting-ii-joint-strike-fighter.asp
is a good resource for info on the JSF, while there's some recent info on the F-22 here: http://www.armedforces-int.com/news/2008/08/07/usaf-f22-raptor-deployment-to-guam.asp,
Incidentally, F-22 price given in the last one is $160m each, compared to approx $110-115 mil (I seem to remember reading) per JSF.
Good value? |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: |
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When will the F35 be ready?
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:11 am Post subject: |
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Kardiff,
There's three versions of JSF - F-35A, B + C - not sure if they will enter service together or what? Take it you mean with the US Mil ?
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| Golasso |
| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: When will the F-35 come into production? |
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For the US Military, The F-35C is scheduled for first flight in mid-2009. The F-35A fighter is expected to enter service in 2010, the F-35B in 2012
There are lots of interesting facts here about the F-35, if you want to check out it's specs.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/jsf/
On a separate note, I had heard a rumor that the F-22 was originally chosen over the F-35 because the F-35 had yet to hammer out some of it's kinks with its vertical take-off capabilities when contracts rolled around. In short, whenever it took off in sandy conditions (like a desert), it sandblasted it's whole underside and removed its stealth capability, making it ineffective. Can anyone substantiate this or will it remain a rumor?[/url] |
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| timel |
| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: When will the F-35 come into production? |
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| Golasso wrote: |
For the US Military, The F-35C is scheduled for first flight in mid-2009. The F-35A fighter is expected to enter service in 2010, the F-35B in 2012
There are lots of interesting facts here about the F-35, if you want to check out it's specs.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/jsf/
On a separate note, I had heard a rumor that the F-22 was originally chosen over the F-35 because the F-35 had yet to hammer out some of it's kinks with its vertical take-off capabilities when contracts rolled around. In short, whenever it took off in sandy conditions (like a desert), it sandblasted it's whole underside and removed its stealth capability, making it ineffective. Can anyone substantiate this or will it remain a rumor?[/url] |
I have already seen compressor of helicopter that were completly sandblasted due to sand. Desert operation are quite tough on machines. They try to make the airflow less linear so that the sand get less into compressors. It does reduce the problem.
Now that's applied to turbine.
Recently I took off (I'm a flight instructor) from a quite sandy runway and even though I keept the airplane moving as much as I could, it was quite rough on propeller. So I can immagine what it could do on a F-35. (it would make sens)
Last of all, F-22 is amazing. I haven't seen flying capabilities of F-35. But F-22 has a maniability that goes beyond immagination. It must be quite rought on pilots 
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