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| icewendigo |
 Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:48 am Post subject: Does baking soda put in water create hydrogen vapors? |
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| SteveF |
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No, absolutely not.
All you get is a solution of baking soda.
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| TJames |
| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 7:09 am Post subject: Re: Does baking soda put in water create hydrogen vapors? |
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No. Any bubbles you see are CO2 or simply air trapped in the powder. You'll get more CO2 bubbles if the water is acidic - for example if you add vinegar to it.
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| William McCormick |
| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: Does baking soda put in water create hydrogen vapors? |
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They used to use baking soda to stop timber mold. This I have documentation for.
Years ago there were some that thought the formula for baking soda was NaCL2
It had something to do with Latin. And sodium being called phenol, and barbital being or meaning two chlorine atoms, in Latin.
Now that might seem off topic, and totally wrong however, it meant something to a chemist. We were called in, to remove his chemicals from his laboratory. He had died. We did a standard lab pack, for disposal. Some of the chemicals and his work made it into my collection. Ha-ha.
Some of his research was fascinating. I cannot say if it is correct, with any proof, however I have always been fascinated by the possibility.
I liked the way he tracked it down. And some of the proof seemed feasible if only enough to check it out. I lost the work from this fellow during my divorce. However it always stuck with me.
I have seen chemical formulas change here in my Area almost over night. So I am not real firm about to many chemicals. Ha-ha. That is why I am always on the hunt for inconsistencies.
I was reading about a mishap in a hospital where, sodium Fluoride was used instead of sodium chloride and I believe around 157 people died. So it is possible to confuse chemicals to the point of death.
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William McCormick
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| organic god |
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wow i wonder how anyone could divorce you.
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| William McCormick |
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That is what I said!
I would make explosives, flares and powerful chemical reactions, outside the house at 9:30 pm when I got done with my second job. With my son who was actually still two years old at the time.
He would run out of the house. Yelling dad, dad can we make powerful explosives?
The neighbors loved us, or were to afraid to complain. Ha-ha.
I think I am a lot of fun.
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| i_feel_tiredsleepy |
| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: Does baking soda put in water create hydrogen vapors? |
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| William McCormick wrote: |
| icewendigo wrote: |
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They used to use baking soda to stop timber mold. This I have documentation for.
Years ago there were some that thought the formula for baking soda was NaCL2
It had something to do with Latin. And sodium being called phenol, and barbital being or meaning two chlorine atoms, in Latin.
Now that might seem off topic, and totally wrong however, it meant something to a chemist. We were called in, to remove his chemicals from his laboratory. He had died. We did a standard lab pack, for disposal. Some of the chemicals and his work made it into my collection. Ha-ha.
Some of his research was fascinating. I cannot say if it is correct, with any proof, however I have always been fascinated by the possibility.
I liked the way he tracked it down. And some of the proof seemed feasible if only enough to check it out. I lost the work from this fellow during my divorce. However it always stuck with me.
I have seen chemical formulas change here in my Area almost over night. So I am not real firm about to many chemicals. Ha-ha. That is why I am always on the hunt for inconsistencies.
I was reading about a mishap in a hospital where, sodium Fluoride was used instead of sodium chloride and I believe around 157 people died. So it is possible to confuse chemicals to the point of death.
Sincerely,
William McCormick |
I suspect those chemist were very poorly educated since it has been know for about 200 years that baking soda was produced from sodium carbonate and carbon dioxide, moreover I'm sure some scientist at one point would have attempted to get chloride out of a solution of baking soda and concluded that there was none there quite easily. Unless of course you are over 200 years old and predate modern chemistry.
Also, sodium in latin is natrium, thus the periodic table symbol being Na, although I supose it was a clever little joke of yours to break down the drug phenolbarbital >.> |
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| William McCormick |
| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: Does baking soda put in water create hydrogen vapors? |
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| i_feel_tiredsleepy wrote: |
| William McCormick wrote: |
| icewendigo wrote: |
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They used to use baking soda to stop timber mold. This I have documentation for.
Years ago there were some that thought the formula for baking soda was NaCL2
It had something to do with Latin. And sodium being called phenol, and barbital being or meaning two chlorine atoms, in Latin.
Now that might seem off topic, and totally wrong however, it meant something to a chemist. We were called in, to remove his chemicals from his laboratory. He had died. We did a standard lab pack, for disposal. Some of the chemicals and his work made it into my collection. Ha-ha.
Some of his research was fascinating. I cannot say if it is correct, with any proof, however I have always been fascinated by the possibility.
I liked the way he tracked it down. And some of the proof seemed feasible if only enough to check it out. I lost the work from this fellow during my divorce. However it always stuck with me.
I have seen chemical formulas change here in my Area almost over night. So I am not real firm about to many chemicals. Ha-ha. That is why I am always on the hunt for inconsistencies.
I was reading about a mishap in a hospital where, sodium Fluoride was used instead of sodium chloride and I believe around 157 people died. So it is possible to confuse chemicals to the point of death.
Sincerely,
William McCormick |
I suspect those chemist were very poorly educated since it has been know for about 200 years that baking soda was produced from sodium carbonate and carbon dioxide, moreover I'm sure some scientist at one point would have attempted to get chloride out of a solution of baking soda and concluded that there was none there quite easily. Unless of course you are over 200 years old and predate modern chemistry.
Also, sodium in latin is natrium, thus the periodic table symbol being Na, although I supose it was a clever little joke of yours to break down the drug phenolbarbital >.> |
Besides the Na2Co3 as listed, in the soda ash, they use massive amounts of table salt, in the process, on the way to make baking soda.
I suspect that it could indeed be a similar misunderstanding like ammonia being NH3, when it was well known that nitrogen is almost inert. Meaning that it would probably not want anything to do with hydrogen.
When I went to school our school labs were stocked with Malincrodt Anhydrous (water free) Ammonia that was labeled NO2. It would create a brown gas if left with the stopper off.
There are other ferric chloride reactions that can work in two ways. You can add either more iron or more hydrochloric acid to strengthen the etching solution. One drops out some of the iron, to strengthen the solution, the other just strengthens the solution.
They also use ammonia and, CO2, to make soda ash, and the ammonia may supply oxygen, that might bond with a sodium atom. Causing a free chlorine atom, making Baking soda NaCl2.
But the only mass is the table salt.
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William McCormick
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| Scifor Refugee |
| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:47 am Post subject: Re: Does baking soda put in water create hydrogen vapors? |
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Besides the Na2Co3 as listed, in the soda ash, they use massive amounts of table salt, in the process, on the way to make baking soda.
I suspect that it could indeed be a similar misunderstanding like ammonia being NH3, when it was well known that nitrogen is almost inert. Meaning that it would probably not want anything to do with hydrogen.
When I went to school our school labs were stocked with Malincrodt Anhydrous (water free) Ammonia that was labeled NO2. It would create a brown gas if left with the stopper off.
There are other ferric chloride reactions that can work in two ways. You can add either more iron or more hydrochloric acid to strengthen the etching solution. One drops out some of the iron, to strengthen the solution, the other just strengthens the solution.
They also use ammonia and, CO2, to make soda ash, and the ammonia may supply oxygen, that might bond with a sodium atom. Causing a free chlorine atom, making Baking soda NaCl2.
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I am on the 4th year of my chemistry phd program, and the only thing I can say about the above is:
WHAT THE F*CK???
Reading your posts is like trying to make sense of an Escher picture:
Click on the image to view it at its original size
Sometimes parts of it seem to start to make sense, but then they don't - and if you step back and consider the whole thing, it's all nonsensical.
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suspect that it could indeed be a similar misunderstanding like ammonia being NH3, when it was well known that nitrogen is almost inert. Meaning that it would probably not want anything to do with hydrogen.
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you some kind of idiot?
look at a fulminate explosion that will tell you how inert nitrogen is.
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lol I second that statement.
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suspect that it could indeed be a similar misunderstanding like ammonia being NH3, when it was well known that nitrogen is almost inert. Meaning that it would probably not want anything to do with hydrogen.
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you some kind of idiot?
look at a fulminate explosion that will tell you how inert nitrogen is.
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Mercury fulminate is listed as Hg(CNO)2, there is oxygen in there according to that. It is stated that it is made by treating mercury with strong nitric acid and alcohol.
Nitrogen gas will put out a gasoline fire, stall a car faster then you can shut it off with a key. Nitrogen was used in fire extinguishers for years in my area in gas stations.
We use Nitrogen in refrigeration to protect the copper from oxidation during brazing. It is almost inert.
It has also been stated that mercury fulminate is made from chlorination. So someone will have to make some and find out.
Oxygen is the mean one.
Nitrous oxide when I used it in my car was marked NO4. It is a wild explosive. Because of all that oxygen.
http://www.Rockwelder.com/Explosives/blast2.wmv
That is just a bit of pure oxygen at work, on acetylene. Much under a cubic foot of gas even with the acetylene. That is one mean explosion.
For a quarter mile radius it sets off car alarms. The only thing that came close were 8 inch mortars being fired, from four foot long pipes. They go up 2,500 feet.
When the shock wave hits you from that little bag of gas, thirty plus feet away, it actually burns the inside of your chest.
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Well as far as i'm cincerned ,superficially, it might be ridiculous
However, this will probably be a precious hypothesis.....since soda does contain the element of H. |
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| ArezList |
| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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But BAKing it ,seems to be an extreme way to figure out , even with H2 Vapor.....  |
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| Scifor Refugee |
| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Does baking soda put in water create hydrogen vapors? |
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| William McCormick wrote: |
I suspect that it could indeed be a similar misunderstanding like ammonia being NH3, when it was well known that nitrogen is almost inert. Meaning that it would probably not want anything to do with hydrogen.
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Are you trying to say that you think ammonia isn't really NH3? |
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| i_feel_tiredsleepy |
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Well as far as i'm cincerned ,superficially, it might be ridiculous
However, this will probably be a precious hypothesis.....since soda does contain the element of H. |
So does practically every organic molecule on Eath... |
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