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| Chisco1389 |
 Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: Could the earth have been made in 7 days |
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I think it is completely plausible. The bible could be completely correct. Science has shown that the earth is billions of YEARS old. 7 billion years can be seven days. This for the simple fact that one year is the earth rotation around the sun. one day is the earths rotation around its own axis. if the earth is not rotating or rotating very slowly one day can be one billion years.
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Current thought is that one day in biblespeak does not equal one day on Earth.
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| Robbie |
| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 2:57 am Post subject: Re: Could the earth have been made in 7 days |
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| I think it is completely plausible. The bible could be completely correct. Science has shown that the earth is billions of YEARS old. 7 billion years can be seven days. This for the simple fact that one year is the earth rotation around the sun. one day is the earths rotation around its own axis. if the earth is not rotating or rotating very slowly one day can be one billion years. |
...but its only 4.6 billion years old. Also even if it were 7 billion years old what would happen in a billion years time. Would that mean we would have to add an 8th day to genesis to account for the age?
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| KALSTER |
| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 4:20 am Post subject: |
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Also, the earth is essentially in free-fall around the sun and if the angular momentum is lowered to allow billion year roundtrips the earth would fall straight into the sun.
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| Pendragon |
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And to state the obvious: the Earth couldn't be 'made'  Who would make it, how would he do that, how would he combine the raw materials (where did they come from?) into the end product, our Earth?
Anyway I think Kalster's and Robbie's remarks are more interesting, the above is just for completion. |
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Maybe if the person that made it made it in seven years relative to themself, but maybe took seven eons for someobody else. If someone made it, then they would have to be super intelligent almost omniscient being to build. So the Bible could be correct if that it is metaphorical, but you have to remember people live by Bibles in a literal sense so theres number one contradiction, among many  .
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And there the whole problem starts. If one is willing to accept portions of the bible as metaphor for it to be able to fit with current scientific knowledge, where does it stop? From this perspective I can understand the creationist perspective of absolute biblical truth. The only other emotionally and philosophically credible alternative is thinking of the facts and norms in the bible as tenuous and unyealdingly human at best, but still gaining wisdom from the portions that can fit with a more humanist perspective.
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| Pendragon wrote: |
And to state the obvious: the Earth couldn't be 'made' Who would make it, how would he do that, how would he combine the raw materials (where did they come from?) into the end product, our Earth?
Anyway I think Kalster's and Robbie's remarks are more interesting, the above is just for completion. |
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And there the whole problem starts. If one is willing to accept portions of the bible as metaphor for it to be able to fit with current scientific knowledge, where does it stop? From this perspective I can understand the creationist perspective of absolute biblical truth. The only other emotionally and philosophically credible alternative is thinking of the facts and norms in the bible as tenuous and unyealdingly human at best, but still gaining wisdom from the portions that can fit with a more humanist perspective. |
Yeah true, this is the thing, with science advancing, religion has had to recede considerably but some people refuse to compromise on their religion. Its an interesting thing to observe in debate with a creationist because even when you absolutely tear apart their arguments such as the age of the earth they still somehow cling to it. It must involve some level of doublethink. Even at a humanist level, you still have too pick and choose from the bible.
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I think then that every religion and its own look at God and life etc is due to one or more persons view of what is metaphor and what is fact. What if it is all metaphor, and what if it all is fact? We'll never know, and its not up to us to decide what is fact and what is metaphorical. Its simply gone too far, for any of us to tell what is literal and what is metaphor. Maybe even if they are half each, we still don't know what is one half and which is the other. So what do we do? If thats the truth, a grey area if you will, I can see where the idea of faith comes from, you say 'God said this', and if He did, we were right to follow Him, the faith in that. If not, and it is wrong, we had faith that it was the truth but were mislead, by those standards, faith seems to be all we have other than doubthing any of it is true. But I for one can't simply doubt it, my heart does not feel right in doing that. As a logical person even to the utmost logic I follow, in this matter, I follow my heart and what feels right. Thats all I can do, and thats really what people and religion comes down to, following your heart or your head. I tried one and the other alone, I tried both together, but the one that feels right, is following my heart and having faith.
But we're only human, and what we believe or not believe is, after all what we choose.
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For all you christians out there, and atheists, 7 days could of been seen as seven times. so, a day of the creation could have been 2 million years or something like that.
And, pendragon, the Earth could be made. The Lord almighty God took his good ol' mighty hand and made the Earth and everything that lives. You, me and everything.
But, soem contradict me, some are atheists, others are just haters, we all have our own opinion.
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| Robbie wrote: |
| Pendragon wrote: |
And to state the obvious: the Earth couldn't be 'made' Who would make it, how would he do that, how would he combine the raw materials (where did they come from?) into the end product, our Earth?
Anyway I think Kalster's and Robbie's remarks are more interesting, the above is just for completion. |
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And there the whole problem starts. If one is willing to accept portions of the bible as metaphor for it to be able to fit with current scientific knowledge, where does it stop? From this perspective I can understand the creationist perspective of absolute biblical truth. The only other emotionally and philosophically credible alternative is thinking of the facts and norms in the bible as tenuous and unyealdingly human at best, but still gaining wisdom from the portions that can fit with a more humanist perspective. |
Yeah true, this is the thing, with science advancing, religion has had to recede considerably but some people refuse to compromise on their religion. Its an interesting thing to observe in debate with a creationist because even when you absolutely tear apart their arguments such as the age of the earth they still somehow cling to it. It must involve some level of doublethink. Even at a humanist level, you still have too pick and choose from the bible. |
Ok yeah ever heard of Quantum Physics? I am geussing not, because if you did you would realise that Quantum Physics shows that there is far more to the world than the Physical and "divine" beings are completely plausible. This showing that religion is only an extesnsion of science or vice versa. You cannot use science to disprove religon, because science can only prove or rather disprove what is testable. Religion cannot be tested because it is outside the laws of science.
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| KALSTER |
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Nobody is trying to use science to disprove religion, as we all agree it can't be done, in the same way (no disrespect meant) you can't disprove fairies and ET. Where science comes in is where religion has held a certain belief about the natural word, only for science to come and disprove that. Science can't speak about god in the same way religion is not supposed to speak about science.
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| Ok yeah ever heard of Quantum Physics? I am geussing not, because if you did you would realise that Quantum Physics shows that there is far more to the world than the Physical and "divine" beings are completely plausible. |
I am sorry, but this shows your lack of understanding concerning QM. While (independent of QM) one could say that ghosts and the like is faintly possible, it does not make them probable by any means. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and similarly, the absence of refuting evidence is not evidence in favor of the thing in question.
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| Robbie wrote: |
| Pendragon wrote: |
And to state the obvious: the Earth couldn't be 'made' Who would make it, how would he do that, how would he combine the raw materials (where did they come from?) into the end product, our Earth?
Anyway I think Kalster's and Robbie's remarks are more interesting, the above is just for completion. |
Much appreciated!!!
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And there the whole problem starts. If one is willing to accept portions of the bible as metaphor for it to be able to fit with current scientific knowledge, where does it stop? From this perspective I can understand the creationist perspective of absolute biblical truth. The only other emotionally and philosophically credible alternative is thinking of the facts and norms in the bible as tenuous and unyealdingly human at best, but still gaining wisdom from the portions that can fit with a more humanist perspective. |
Yeah true, this is the thing, with science advancing, religion has had to recede considerably but some people refuse to compromise on their religion. Its an interesting thing to observe in debate with a creationist because even when you absolutely tear apart their arguments such as the age of the earth they still somehow cling to it. It must involve some level of doublethink. Even at a humanist level, you still have too pick and choose from the bible. |
Ok yeah ever heard of Quantum Physics? I am geussing not, because if you did you would realise that Quantum Physics shows that there is far more to the world than the Physical and "divine" beings are completely plausible. This showing that religion is only an extesnsion of science or vice versa. You cannot use science to disprove religon, because science can only prove or rather disprove what is testable. Religion cannot be tested because it is outside the laws of science. |
Then clearly you have only heard of quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics concisely describes the movement of electrons and other subatomic particles. It does not describe angels, prophets or Gods; Heisenberg would have had more trouble getting something like that published. It is unpredictable in terms of individual outcomes at minute levels, not in over all/macroscopic phenomena. If for you religion exists in superposition, that's fine, but it is very different to genesis!
Further more, religion cannot be tested not because it is outside the laws of science, but because it is beyond the realm of reality. You can test religion no more than you can test Harry Potter or Alice in Wonderland... that doesnt mean either of those are real. The only difference is the significance you attribute to whatever sacred text you read.
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I dont see how the AGE of the Earth has anything to do with how long it would or would not take to create it.
It could been created in 7 days, 8 billion years ago. I mean when you talk that scale, what is another week? really?
I can personally still not get over how an omnipotent God would need time at all to create anything. |
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haha fair enough, I was just pointing out the odd need that one would need exactly 7 billion years to account for 7 days being represented, wasnt to be taken seriously.
Agree wit you dont see why he would need time at all.
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