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| Obviously |
 Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:12 am Post subject: Correction Jesus |
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There's one thing that's been on my mind lately. Jesus is supposedly, by some, considered to be the one who corrects all the mistakes from the old testament. And my question is:
Why would God have to correct himself?
Maybe because man either changed the bible or "misunderstood" everything. In that case:
Why doesn't God correct himself now?
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: Re: Correction Jesus |
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| Obviously wrote: |
There's one thing that's been on my mind lately. Jesus is supposedly, by some, considered to be the one who corrects all the mistakes from the old testament. And my question is:
Why would God have to correct himself?
Maybe because man either changed the bible or "misunderstood" everything. In that case:
Why doesn't God correct himself now? |
Obviously God doesn't need to correct himself, but we certainly do. It is we who are changing. So consider why it is that the high school teacher corrects the kindergarten teacher and the college proffessor corrects the high school teacher. Their jobs are different. Precision is not always the best teaching strategy for all students.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:53 am Post subject: Re: Correction Jesus |
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| mitchellmckain wrote: |
Obviously God doesn't need to correct himself, but we certainly do. It is we who are changing. |
Very bad argument, Mitchell. Did your god not take that into account? Not very omniscient, is he? |
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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Maybe He doesn't need to correct anything, or maybe to suit Q's frame of mind... because there is nothing to correct.
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God didn't write the bible, humans did.
And as humans we are always on the lookout to make our lives less
troublesome... therfore over the years lazy people interpriated the bible
by their society`s need for faith. Simple as that 
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It still remains a troubling question, I think, for christians to answer. As (Q) pointed out, God couldn't be very allknowing having to correct himself/us. Why didn't he just make a book which couldn't be changed? He is allpowerfull, enchantments shouldn't be a problem 
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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Spoilers .
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| dejawolf |
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proof enough for me that the bible is a crock, and god also.
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How can something be a crock if it doesn't exist?
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| Zitterbewegung |
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| Obviously God doesn't need to correct himself, |
Ummmmm......what about the biblical flood then? This ain't startin' over again? Correct me if I'm wrong, but this all-loving, all-knowing god wipes out humanity except for the chosen ones because he's so fed up with them? That's a correction if I ever saw one.
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| Obviously God doesn't need to correct himself, |
Ummmmm......what about the biblical flood then? This ain't startin' over again? Correct me if I'm wrong, but this all-loving, all-knowing god wipes out humanity except for the chosen ones because he's so fed up with them? That's a correction if I ever saw one. |
I've been in this discussion many times already. And this argument is countered with the "free will" of men. So, whenever something goes wrong, it is the humans themselves, because god allows them to act as they please. Pretty lame. It seems that from time to time even he seems annoyed and intervenes. So, from this point of view, it is "not a bug, it's a feature". But with all the atrocities of this century, I am wondering, what he is waiting for now. So maybe:
a) he gave up
b) he left
c) he was never there
d) he doesn't care at all
I'm going for c). |
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| Zitterbewegung |
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| So, whenever something goes wrong, it is the humans themselves, because god allows them to act as they please. Pretty lame. |
Yup, alter Theisten-Trick. Immer wenn's in Diskussionen eng wird oder der Theist nich' mehr weiter weiss, dann kommt so 'ne Argumentation wie: "Mein Gott braucht sich Deiner Logik nicht zu stellen, der steht da d'rüber" wenn man zum Beispiel anmerkt, dass sich allmächtig und allwissend schon mal prinzipiell ausschliessen oder so.
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..mmwahahahahaha.
"it is part of gods plan" all of a sudden became torn asunder.
especially those who say when people die "its part of gods plan".
the flood and jesus proves that god doesn't have a plan.
actually i should say i'm more interested in disproving the bible than disproving god.
i don't really mind people believing there's some benevolent force in the universe, what i do mind is people blindly accepting the words written in a stupid book.
deism is okay.
christianity and islam isn't.
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| dejawolf wrote: |
i don't really mind people believing there's some benevolent force in the universe, what i do mind is people blindly accepting the words written in a stupid book.
deism is okay.
christianity and islam isn't. |
Well, this is another problem, because many hardcore Christians would deny that it is just a book. I actually spoke with those that believe that the authors were inspired by god and therefore the scriptures must be right. Nice trick. With that kind of argumentation they stay inside a vicious circle of argumentation.
Getting back to the original topic: Let's for a moment suppose there is an entity that could be called "god". Who said that it must be almighty and infinitively wise? Can't it just be tremendously powerful? I'm not saying that I believe that. But maybe we are just expecting too much. |
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| Scifor Refugee |
| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:43 am Post subject: |
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There are places in the OT where god is explicitly stated to have changed his mind about things, sometimes even because a human talked him out of what he was planning to do! Check out ex. 32:14 for example.
In any case, any time a christian prays to god to ask for something they are implicitly saying that they think they can change god's mind - the whole notion doesn't make sense unless you think that a person can convince god to do something that he wasn't planning to do. |
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