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| SuperNatendo |
 Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: Confusion on einstein |
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I just want to clear up a few things I saw on this forum posted by someone who I will keep anonymous. I just want to let this person know, and he knows who he is, That his scientific understanding is being clouded by Nazi Propaganda, which is why he doesn't accept modern science.
Einstein was not *kicked out* of germany for being a crackpot scientist, he was 'kicked out' because he was Jewish.
(actually, he left)
He started reluctantly working on the Manhattan project because he was afraid Germany would end up developing the atomic bomb anyway and he wanted to stop the genocide of his people.
He very much regretted the existence of atomic weaponry, but he did what he had to do to save lives. He did not agree with America's atomic monopoly, In 1947, Einstein wrote an article for The Atlantic Monthly arguing that the United States should not try to pursue an atomic monopoly, and instead should equip the United Nations with nuclear weapons for the sole purpose of maintaining deterrence.
Einstein very much understood relativity, and his special theory of relativity is still widely accepted and portions of which have proved accurate through observation.
Your misunderstanding of science theory, especially when related to physics, is caused by your education which was likely seeped in Nazi propaganda.
You need to open up your eyes, the only 'conspiracy' problem is with your early education and the people who are responsible for filling your head with these outlandish theories just because they refuse to acknowledge what they labeled as as unacceptable "Jewish physics". It really is sad that people like you have been mislead and are still suffering the ill-effects of Nazi Germany. I do pity you.
Please do try to open your mind, and push aside the teachings of hate-mongers.
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Einstein did not get kicked out in any way at all, I'm guessing you mean that using asterix's. He left because he did not like what Germany was becoming. And yeahm people should know that he advised on the creation of the atomic momb because he knew scientists back in Germany were working on it. It was most definatley inevitable one would be built, and seeing as the yanks seemed more responsible with such a weapon, he knew they would be better with it first. Of course Einstein probably wanted to only ensure that the a-bomb was clearly a power and status symbol. How many scientists can say they oppose their best theories being used to make weapons? All of them I think.
Personally I have noticed a growing disagreement with Einstein, and he is losing respect off a lot of people. But be it without him, science would be quite far behind, and thus society also. Its a shame Nazi propoganda still lurks around these days, I guess it never will go away. But one can hope.
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True, Einstein was never kicked out of Germany. He was a pacifist and first left Germany in 1914 to avoid their draft. Later returned and stayed in Germany to 1932, but as Germany was again heading toward Nazism, on a planned visit to California made the visit, a permanent move (Never went back). He also traveled in and out of Germany (pre-1914to1932) many times, to study, teach and collaborate in many countries. He remained a pacifist through his life.
As a 'Theoretical Physicist' Einstein wrote and theorized many things contrary to the accepted science of the day. Even after 1919, when his space/time/fabric theory was validated (to degree) many of his ideas were thought to be incorrect. Well after his death (think 1952) many argued his opinions and philosophy, considering him an opportunist who added meanings or revising other opinions. In short a controversial character of the time and to some today remains.
I do not think Einstein is or has lost any respect, with in the science community. He himself realized many of his ideas would over time be questioned and in fact added to, revised or found to be incorrect. He certainly deserves credits for taking science into the 20th Century and no doubt will always be mentioned along with histories greatest people of science... |
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| William McCormick |
| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Confusion on einstein |
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| SuperNatendo wrote: |
I just want to clear up a few things I saw on this forum posted by someone who I will keep anonymous. I just want to let this person know, and he knows who he is, That his scientific understanding is being clouded by Nazi Propaganda, which is why he doesn't accept modern science.
Einstein was not *kicked out* of germany for being a crackpot scientist, he was 'kicked out' because he was Jewish.
(actually, he left)
He started reluctantly working on the Manhattan project because he was afraid Germany would end up developing the atomic bomb anyway and he wanted to stop the genocide of his people.
He very much regretted the existence of atomic weaponry, but he did what he had to do to save lives. He did not agree with America's atomic monopoly, In 1947, Einstein wrote an article for The Atlantic Monthly arguing that the United States should not try to pursue an atomic monopoly, and instead should equip the United Nations with nuclear weapons for the sole purpose of maintaining deterrence.
Einstein very much understood relativity, and his special theory of relativity is still widely accepted and portions of which have proved accurate through observation.
Your misunderstanding of science theory, especially when related to physics, is caused by your education which was likely seeped in Nazi propaganda.
You need to open up your eyes, the only 'conspiracy' problem is with your early education and the people who are responsible for filling your head with these outlandish theories just because they refuse to acknowledge what they labeled as as unacceptable "Jewish physics". It really is sad that people like you have been mislead and are still suffering the ill-effects of Nazi Germany. I do pity you.
Please do try to open your mind, and push aside the teachings of hate-mongers. |
Einstein was kicked out of Germany.
He could have single handed, taken on the entire NAZI army if he knew science. And knew the actual relativity that has always existed.
The half ton nuclear bomb dropped on Hiroshima is a toy compared to rather conventional weapons that existed at the time. The 8900 pound bomb that may have also been dropped was a poison pill.
Germany was not allowed to have helium. There is a very real reason why they were not allowed to have it. Hydrogen would have worked even better for a one way dirigible, on a bombing mission.
There was an agreement by all sides not to use electronic weapons on the battle field. No bombs over 2000 pounds. We committed war crimes as well as England. The agreement called for no super weapons using liquefied gases. In fear of the total destruction of earth.
What you saw on those battle fields was merely the result of stuffy diplomats, holding out with their own soldiers lives, for the desired victory they choose.
I have proven time and time again that the science that is said not to exist, exists. And is real. And I demonstrate it all the time.
I learned to check humidity by a different type of sling psychrometer then is used today. All you had to do was swing it around, and it would give you the humidity. You did not have to wet the bulb. It had a fiberglass sock on it. And it worked. It was from Germany. A cotton sock will not work.
You have to understand there were good and bad scientists in both countries.
When you see two countries at war, you can wipe out 90 percent of the scum in both countries, and the world will be a better place.
The ten percent that are left, should be reprimanded for their laziness, lack of real patronage, and cowardice.
Einstein was a poor scientist. That is why the war machine used him. Just like Chadwick. The military already had massive super weapons of mass destruction. Long before the Manhattan project.
The NAZI's did the same, they did not allow their great scientists to even be heard. Much less work on weapons. Most of the really greats offered their help, they were turned down, and then they either went into hiding or just laid low.
It was not about super weapons. It was about punishing both countries citizens into submission. Both Germany and America were at the brink of a civil war. Both countries were using their citizens like slaves. And both countries suspected England of being behind it. Using clever money tricks too disgusting for most good Americans to imagine.
Inflation is just a tool of control, used on the middle class and poor. The rich own real estate and break even. The poor loose their homes. And the rich buy them for pennies on the dollar.
Bread in Germany before the war hit 75 marks a loaf. A similar thing happened here. It was just a political game.
The citizens of both countries hated their own, and each others law makers. Both sets of law makers tried to turn their people against the other countries people. It was just political.
The United States turned boat loads of Jews escaping Germany away from American ports. They would not even offer them food, or Fuel. They sent them away in boats leaking and in need of supplies. To live or die.
So we are not the good guys either. Later on when the smoke clears we killed all the German forces and could tell the story the way we liked to tell it. There was no victory. There was submission by all.
http://www.rockwelder.com/History/WWtwo/germany.htm
http://www.rockwelder.com/History/WWtwo/japs.htm
Read these well.
But do not take me the wrong way. Sure war is phony. War is the ultimate in secret motive. It is rarely the enemy they are protecting you from. As many have heard individuals in government come forward and tell of the most outlandish plans for Americans to hurt Americans to raise support for a war.
Our nations original blueprint created by George Washington and those close to him. Was a document taken out of the laws of England. And yet became what was termed the Declaration of Independence.
You have the right to Individual Spiritual Freedom.
You have the right to Assemble and gather to form a more perfect Union.
You have the right to bear arms.
You have the right to no taxation without representation.
You have the right to a Jury by your own peers.
You have the right to protect your fortune.
You have the right to practice the religion of your choice under God
Because although England used these marvelous words and phrases, amongst their laws. England used them to trick the citizens into allowing more laws. To make the laws sound reasonable. However the English never planed on being reasonable.
The reason it was termed a Declaration of Independence was because it called England a hypocritical nation, with England's own words. England became a joke.
For control they will suffer a nation, until revolution or total submission. It has happened many, many times.
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| SuperNatendo |
| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: Confusion on einstein |
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| William McCormick wrote: |
Einstein was kicked out of Germany. |
For Being Jewish, and he went on vacation to the USA then decided not to go back.
| William McCormick wrote: |
He could have single handed, taken on the entire NAZI army if he knew science. And knew the actual relativity that has always existed. |
No, he was jewish, Nazi army wouldn't follow a jewish man! You think you know science, take over the american army then!
| William McCormick wrote: |
The half ton nuclear bomb dropped on Hiroshima is a toy compared to rather conventional weapons that existed at the time. The 8900 pound bomb that may have also been dropped was a poison pill. |
the atomic bomb was far more powerful than anything the world had seen at the time! It is a toy by todays standards yes.
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Germany was not allowed to have helium. There is a very real reason why they were not allowed to have it. Hydrogen would have worked even better for a one way dirigible, on a bombing mission. |
They had hydrogen! remember the hindenburgh? Thats why they started using helium!
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There was an agreement by all sides not to use electronic weapons on the battle field. No bombs over 2000 pounds. We committed war crimes as well as England. The agreement called for no super weapons using liquefied gases. In fear of the total destruction of earth.
What you saw on those battle fields was merely the result of stuffy diplomats, holding out with their own soldiers lives, for the desired victory they choose. |
This has nothing to do with Einstein.
| William McCormick wrote: |
I have proven time and time again that the science that is said not to exist, exists. And is real. And I demonstrate it all the time. |
No , you haven't, in fact, you make sure you change the subject before you ever back up your crazy theories with fact.
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I learned to check humidity by a different type of sling psychrometer then is used today. All you had to do was swing it around, and it would give you the humidity. You did not have to wet the bulb. It had a fiberglass sock on it. And it worked. It was from Germany. A cotton sock will not work. |
This has to do with Einstein...HOW?
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You have to understand there were good and bad scientists in both countries. |
I never said there weren't any good scientists for the germans, just saying they chased out the wrong one!
| William McCormick wrote: |
When you see two countries at war, you can wipe out 90 percent of the scum in both countries, and the world will be a better place.
The ten percent that are left, should be reprimanded for their laziness, lack of real patronage, and cowardice. |
So then everyone on earth who lives in a country or region that has had war should either die (90%) or be reprimanded (10%)? So that means that 600 million people will be left on earth but they will all reprimand themselves.
| William McCormick wrote: |
Einstein was a poor scientist. That is why the war machine used him. Just like Chadwick. The military already had massive super weapons of mass destruction. Long before the Manhattan project. |
poor scientist? Disprove the special theory of relativity then!
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The NAZI's did the same, they did not allow their great scientists to even be heard. Much less work on weapons. Most of the really greats offered their help, they were turned down, and then they either went into hiding or just laid low.
It was not about super weapons. It was about punishing both countries citizens into submission. Both Germany and America were at the brink of a civil war. Both countries were using their citizens like slaves. And both countries suspected England of being behind it. Using clever money tricks too disgusting for most good Americans to imagine.
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Umm, where did the V2 rocket come from then? Crackpot scientists?
The rest of your post goes WAAAY off topic, and does not prove your opinion of Einstein being the biggest phony of all time as you seem to claim.
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| DivideByZero |
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To William McCormick:
Dude, I really hope your real name is not William McCormick because you're making yourself look stupid. Humiliation. |
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| William McCormick |
| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: Confusion on einstein |
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| SuperNatendo wrote: |
| William McCormick wrote: |
He could have single handed, taken on the entire NAZI army if he knew science. And knew the actual relativity that has always existed. |
No, he was jewish, Nazi army wouldn't follow a jewish man! You think you know science, take over the american army then! |
It would just be a matter of first strike.
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| William McCormick wrote: |
The half ton nuclear bomb dropped on Hiroshima is a toy compared to rather conventional weapons that existed at the time. The 8900 pound bomb that may have also been dropped was a poison pill. |
the atomic bomb was far more powerful than anything the world had seen at the time! It is a toy by todays standards yes. |
The atomic bomb was a toy at the time. It is a toy today. A political party popper. And will remain a toy tomorrow. It was a fancy firecracker, that made what could be, a more lethal factory accident, much more real. And more at hand. Everyone heard of super weapons, but most never saw or understood them. They thought the Hiroshima blast was a super weapon.
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| William McCormick wrote: |
Germany was not allowed to have helium. There is a very real reason why they were not allowed to have it. Hydrogen would have worked even better for a one way dirigible, on a bombing mission. |
They had hydrogen! remember the hindenburgh? Thats why they started using helium! |
They had hydrogen because they were not allowed to have helium from a treaty of World War One. And a continuing blockade by the United States.
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| William McCormick wrote: |
There was an agreement by all sides not to use electronic weapons on the battle field. No bombs over 2000 pounds. We committed war crimes as well as England. The agreement called for no super weapons using liquefied gases. In fear of the total destruction of earth.
What you saw on those battle fields was merely the result of stuffy diplomats, holding out with their own soldiers lives, for the desired victory they choose. |
This has nothing to do with Einstein. |
This has everything to do with Einstein. Einstein was not really aware of what was around at the time before World War Two. There were super weapons of mass destruction around. Tesla could wipe out the world before breakfast if one of his experiments went awry.
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| William McCormick wrote: |
I have proven time and time again that the science that is said not to exist, exists. And is real. And I demonstrate it all the time. |
No , you haven't, in fact, you make sure you change the subject before you ever back up your crazy theories with fact. |
I just gave you one example of something that once existed, and is no longer widely known. The dry glass sock psychrometer. I only change the angle of the subject so that the information you either do not get, or act like you do not get, gets better explained, from more angles. I actually just change the angle of explanation of the same subject.
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| William McCormick wrote: |
I learned to check humidity by a different type of sling psychrometer then is used today. All you had to do was swing it around, and it would give you the humidity. You did not have to wet the bulb. It had a fiberglass sock on it. And it worked. It was from Germany. A cotton sock will not work. |
This has to do with Einstein...HOW? |
It is one of the many little things that shows that in many cases he left and attacked what was superior in scientific value. He denounced most of what he learned. And become part of the problem not the solution.
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| William McCormick wrote: |
You have to understand there were good and bad scientists in both countries. |
I never said there weren't any good scientists for the germans, just saying they chased out the wrong one! |
In Einstein's case they were correct to throw him out. They should have thrown out Wernher Magnus Maximilian von Braun too. These guys only cared about blasting off.
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| William McCormick wrote: |
When you see two countries at war, you can wipe out 90 percent of the scum in both countries, and the world will be a better place.
The ten percent that are left, should be reprimanded for their laziness, lack of real patronage, and cowardice. |
So then everyone on earth who lives in a country or region that has had war should either die (90%) or be reprimanded (10%)? So that means that 600 million people will be left on earth but they will all reprimand themselves. |
That would probably be the quickest solution back to a decent moral society. No false claims that goat herders or rice pickers, are making our lives miserable. Or that Germany must be destroyed because they have science.
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| William McCormick wrote: |
Einstein was a poor scientist. That is why the war machine used him. Just like Chadwick. The military already had massive super weapons of mass destruction. Long before the Manhattan project. |
poor scientist? Disprove the special theory of relativity then! |
It upholds neutrons, quarks mouns and photons as being anything other then electrons. There I am done.
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| William McCormick wrote: |
The NAZI's did the same, they did not allow their great scientists to even be heard. Much less work on weapons. Most of the really greats offered their help, they were turned down, and then they either went into hiding or just laid low.
It was not about super weapons. It was about punishing both countries citizens into submission. Both Germany and America were at the brink of a civil war. Both countries were using their citizens like slaves. And both countries suspected England of being behind it. Using clever money tricks too disgusting for most good Americans to imagine.
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Umm, where did the V2 rocket come from then? Crackpot scientists?
The rest of your post goes WAAAY off topic, and does not prove your opinion of Einstein being the biggest phony of all time as you seem to claim. |
The V2 rocket was an overcomplicated system much like the space shuttle. Nothing you would want to rely on in space. The V3 was a giant almost pure Uranium dart. Very low atomic weight Uranium.
That is why the Germans were not successful. They did not even bother to approach the great scientists for their opinions. They wanted it kept in their little click. Einstein should be happy he was not in that click.
Sincerely,
William McCormick
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| SuperNatendo |
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Dude, You really have issues, you are delusional.
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Can you cite any of your wild claims, William? Do you have ANY references for your brand of "science"? Do you have ANY proof of the existence of these supposed super weapons before the A-bomb (it probably has something to do with electrons and ambient radiation  )? I am guessing....no?
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| Ophiolite |
| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Re: Confusion on einstein |
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| SuperNatendo wrote: |
| I just want to clear up a few things I saw on this forum posted by someone who I will keep anonymous. |
I applaud your intent, unfortunately it seems to have done little more than provide a further opportunity for William to spout his bizarre nonsense interlaced with an occasional (very occasional) fact.
By the way William, the V3 was not a rocket but an assemblage of large calibre guns positioned in the Pas de Calais, intended to fire on London. Before it could become operational it was damaged by RAF raids. This included at least on direct hit by a Tallboy. This Barnes Wallis' designed 'earthquake bomb' weighed 12,000 lbs - considerably more than your claim that bombs were limited to 2,000 lbs.
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| William McCormick |
| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 5:33 am Post subject: Re: Confusion on einstein |
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| SuperNatendo wrote: |
| I just want to clear up a few things I saw on this forum posted by someone who I will keep anonymous. |
I applaud your intent, unfortunately it seems to have done little more than provide a further opportunity for William to spout his bizarre nonsense interlaced with an occasional (very occasional) fact.
By the way William, the V3 was not a rocket but an assemblage of large calibre guns positioned in the Pas de Calais, intended to fire on London. Before it could become operational it was damaged by RAF raids. This included at least on direct hit by a Tallboy. This Barnes Wallis' designed 'earthquake bomb' weighed 12,000 lbs - considerably more than your claim that bombs were limited to 2,000 lbs. |
Yes they were guns. I never said they were not. They fired a pure Uranium dart. I watched a special on it.
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Hello!
I have sent a pm to SuperNatendo asking him to name the person he started the thread about and whether or not it's about me. I haven't received a reply so far.
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This is an intresting thread, personally i beleive Einstein left becuase he was jewish not becuase he was kicked out
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Whats a superweopen? (does it have to be able to destroy a certain amount, cause harmful radiation, have long lasting effects) Basically how do you determine when a weopen becomes "super"
Also if the A bomb is a toy why with hold it from Iran and the other countries that want to use it?
*how do you spell weopen?
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Weapon.
(Whe-pa-on) Are its syllables in how to say it.
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