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| icewendigo |
 Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:29 am Post subject: British Empire vs US Empire |
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Am I the only one that finds something's a bit odd, in the transition between the British Empire and the US Empire.
Unless I am mistaken, at the turn of the 20th century, British Capital was injected into the US(Wall Street). JP Morgan the banking tycoon was said to have much less money upon his death than was imagined, which suggests that a large part of his fortune was owned by other interests(British?). Then theres the Federal Reserve private central bank that is similar to the Bank of England. We know from Smedley Butler that Wall Street had immense influence over US foreign intervention in early 20th up to WW2. And I've seen many indications of British secret services training American intelligence around the time of WW2.
Apparently there was some feuding related to control of Iraq between the UK and US after WW2.
Do you guys know of other indication of a feud having gone on?
From what I hear the British (in subs?) cannot fire their nukes without US approval(codes).
Whats your view on the UK US relationship spagetti? |
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| kojax |
| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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Well, they're nowhere near the USA's level of total GDP. (I'm sure they're just as industrialized, but they're still physically smaller.) So, they can't wield that kind of power directly.
At the very least, they'd have to use the USA as a proxy. Together with Canada and Australia, we're basically four industrialized countries with the same culture, and no language barriers. That makes us natural allies. |
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| Cat1981(England) |
| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| kojax wrote: |
Well, they're nowhere near the USA's level of total GDP. (I'm sure they're just as industrialized, but they're still physically smaller.) So, they can't wield that kind of power directly.
At the very least, they'd have to use the USA as a proxy. Together with Canada and Australia, we're basically four industrialized countries with the same culture, and no language barriers. That makes us natural allies. |
Well Britain's GDP is about 1/5 of the US, our population is also around 1/5 so we are just as industrialised, but as you say we are smaller so we can't hope to have the same level of political or cultural influence that you lot have. And yes all the anglosphere country's are natural allies even if they do have their little feuds.
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| From what I hear the British (in subs?) cannot fire their nukes without US approval(codes). |
Since the WE.177 was decommissioned in 1998 Britain only has a single nuclear deterrent which is submarine based. As for whether the UK needs US codes to fire our nukes i very much doubt, however since the 1958 US-UK Mutual Defence Agreement the exchange of research, development and design of nuclear weapons is shared and although this information can be later shared with other NATO country's, it still requires the permission of the other. Although Britain develops her own nuclear weapons using this joint research, we do buy your nuclear delivery systems.
The first nuclear weapons project was actually started by Canada and Britain at the start of the second would war and was called Tube Alloys. The Manhattan Project was started in 1941 and in 1943 the Quebec Agreement was signed by Britain, Canada and the US (with fears that Hitlers Germany was very close to developing the bomb) to combine the research and become partners in the project. At this point the project Tube Alloys was stopped and all the scientist went to work on the Manhattan Project.
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| Whats your view on the UK US relationship spagetti? |
Although 50% of UK foreign trade is with the EU as a whole, Britain's largest single trading partner is the US. Likewise the largest direct investment abroad for the USA is the UK closely followed by Canada. The most popular holiday destination outside of the EU for British citizens is the US, the most popular holiday destination for Americans outside of America is the UK. The reason for this i presume is a similar culture but they do lead to problems, problems which lead to a complected (not always happy) relationship.
Britain is coming to something of a cross road at the moment. Some UK governments were pro US anti European (some privately wanted the UK to become part of the US), some have been pro European anti US, and some such as the last Tony Blair government have seen the UK's role as a bridge between both. At some point we are going to need to decide which way we are going to go or risk being alienated and stuck in the middle of the Atlantic.
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| Faron |
| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Ummmm I think I would say that U.S. is actually part of the British Empire....or that british empire is part of the u.s? Lol. |
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