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| Selene |
 Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: A moral question..... |
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If you knew that someone was dying,
but they didn’t know,
would you tell them the truth or deceive them about it?
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| Cosmo |
| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:32 am Post subject: Re: A moral question..... |
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| Selene wrote: |
If you knew that someone was dying,
but they didn’t know,
would you tell them the truth or deceive them about it? |
Selene
This is an 'iffy' question.
If you think they can be saved, with the proper treatment, then yes, you tell them.
I would recommed a Natural practicioner like a Naturopathic doctor.
These doctors use GODs medicines (natural substances) and perform miracles for recovery.
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| Selene |
| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:33 am Post subject: Re: A moral question..... |
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| Cosmo wrote: |
| Selene wrote: |
If you knew that someone was dying,
but they didn’t know,
would you tell them the truth or deceive them about it? |
Selene
This is an 'iffy' question.
If you think they can be saved, with the proper treatment, then yes, you tell them.
I would recommed a Natural practicioner like a Naturopathic doctor.
These doctors use GODs medicines (natural substances) and perform miracles for recovery.
Cosmo |
Nah they can't be saved. It's beyond medical intervention.
Everything is Gods medicine cosmo!
Even man-made, after all didn't they say man was made in the image of God.
Unless of course it's womens medicine.
I wouldn't trust those heathen witches stirring their cauldrons, bats blood dragons claw and all that malarky.......
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| marnixR |
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this is not even a hypothetical scenario : at one of my previous jobs someone had cancer (this was in the days before doctors felt the patient needed to know), and he just thought he wasn't feeling too well
everyone else at the lab knew, but no-one, including myself, told him
it just would have felt like you're kicking someone who's already down
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| serpicojr |
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| marnixR wrote: |
this is not even a hypothetical scenario : at one of my previous jobs someone had cancer (this was in the days before doctors felt the patient needed to know), and he just thought he wasn't feeling too well
everyone else at the lab knew, but no-one, including myself, told him
it just would have felt like you're kicking someone who's already down |
I'm assuming you've left out the adjectives "terminal" and "inoperable" from your description of this man's cancer or some other sort of contextual evidence that shows that telling this man he had cancer would have prevented treatment from being worthwhile. |
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| Pong |
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I think it depends on the person, especially that person's relationship with others. Not a tidy answer is it?
Some people have put things off they would like to get done before they go.
Some people will freak out or otherwise go bad at the news.
I guess that looming over me personally would make me a lousy father. I'd be trying too hard, contriving.
Yet now that I think of it, if my son were to die, I believe I'd tell him. A 6-year-old accepts these things at face value without any painful soul-dredging. All I want for him is power - not ignorant bliss. |
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| serpicojr wrote: |
| I'm assuming you've left out the adjectives "terminal" and "inoperable" from your description of this man's cancer .... |
yes, but i'd taken that as a given in view of minxy's statement "they can't be saved. It's beyond medical intervention. "
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| Introspect |
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| Pong wrote: |
I think it depends on the person, especially that person's relationship with others. Not a tidy answer is it?
Some people have put things off they would like to get done before they go.
Some people will freak out or otherwise go bad at the news. |
I agree. Some people would handle the news well and it might motivate them to put more effort into enjoying the time they have left. Or accomplishing other goals.
Other people would find it a terrible burden, especially if the illness itself was benign right up until the end.
Ultimately I would prefer that they know the truth, since I believe that everyone should be able to deal with the truth, whatever that may be. I'm just not idealistic enough to believe that that would truly benefit everyone equally  |
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| Selene |
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Well this is what I would do.......
I would invite my friend over for a night of food drink and chat.
As often these events slip into discussions of philosophy etc, i would steer the conversation into a particular direction so that I could throw in without raising suspicion a thought experiment just for the fun of it, like
'If you had a serious terminal illness and you're family knew but you didn't, would you want them to tell you...'
Their answer would enable me to decide the best course of action.
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| Cosmo |
| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:30 am Post subject: Re: A moral question..... |
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| Selene wrote: |
Nah they can't be saved. It's beyond medical intervention.
Everything is Gods medicine cosmo!
Even man-made, after all didn't they say man was made in the image of God.
Unless of course it's womens medicine.
I wouldn't trust those heathen witches stirring their cauldrons, bats blood dragons claw and all that malarky....... |
Where did you get such idea?
GODs medicines are natural like vitamins, minerals, herbs, hormones and etc.
business made medicines are drugs, chemo, radiation and surgery.
The Journal of the American medical association says that drugs kill about 100,000 people a year with prescribed and directed use.
Another 1-1/2 million are sent to hospitals for the side affects.
It says 50% of the operations are not needed.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:06 am Post subject: Re: A moral question..... |
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| Selene wrote: |
If you knew that someone was dying,
but they didn’t know,
would you tell them the truth or deceive them about it? |
Do you mean would I smile and wave and not shout out, "Watch out for that bus!"
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I'd want to know myself.
A question though. If his doctor didn't want him to know about it why would he go and tell everyone else about it so everyone else knew about it except the person with the disease?
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I'd want to know myself.
A question though. If his doctor didn't want him to know about it why would he go and tell everyone else about it so everyone else knew about it except the person with the disease? |
If the doctor doesn’t know the patient well enough, maybe it’s best for him just to tell the patient’s family members instead. Then it’s up to the patient’s family members to decide whether to break the news to the patient. Some people can take bad news better than others; their family members are the best persons to judge whether it’s safe to tell them the truth.
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| Selene |
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I'd want to know myself.
A question though. If his doctor didn't want him to know about it why would he go and tell everyone else about it so everyone else knew about it except the person with the disease? |
If the doctor doesn’t know the patient well enough, maybe it’s best for him just to tell the patient’s family members instead. Then it’s up to the patient’s family members to decide whether to break the news to the patient. Some people can take bad news better than others; their family members are the best persons to judge whether it’s safe to tell them the truth. |
I hope the family will tell someone suffering from mental health problems also Ms Bennet
Or at least get them the help they need.
Here's hoping
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I'd want to know myself.
A question though. If his doctor didn't want him to know about it why would he go and tell everyone else about it so everyone else knew about it except the person with the disease? |
If the doctor doesn’t know the patient well enough, maybe it’s best for him just to tell the patient’s family members instead. Then it’s up to the patient’s family members to decide whether to break the news to the patient. Some people can take bad news better than others; their family members are the best persons to judge whether it’s safe to tell them the truth. |
I hope the family will tell someone suffering from mental health problems also Ms Bennet
Or at least get them the help they need.
Here's hoping |
See? I made a perfectly decent post here, and you reply with a personal attack out of nowhere.
If this is what you are being banned for, hopefully you’ll be spending your week away thinking about this and learning a lesson from it. Here’s hoping.
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