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 Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: A brief thought on time..... |
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| What we humans tend to think about time is that it is something that flows and that it is because of time we or anything else change. This concept of time has created a whole new concept in understanding nature and lots of scientists are working on the concept of time so that it may oneday be possible to control time. But to me, it seems like the concept of time itself has created lots of trouble in understanding the real truth of the nature. What my view is; is that the concept of time does not fit anywhere in understanding nature and that the concept of time travel would have been possible if time was there. We are all unconcious and are doomed by the fantasies of the world. What i view is that there is sometihing(not time) that is changing us and that it is not possible to bring those changes back. |
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| KALSTER |
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I have no idea what you just said...... 
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| I have no idea what you just said...... |
I am sorry if i did not make my self clear.
The main point was that time(as what we view) is not what actually would lead us to understand what time is.
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| KALSTER wrote: |
| I have no idea what you just said...... |
I am sorry if i did not make my self clear.
The main point was that time(as what we view) is not what actually would lead us to understand what really time is. I mean what we understand as time travel, making time travel possible just doesn't make sense. |
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| William McCormick |
| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: Re: A brief thought on time..... |
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| What we humans tend to think about time is that it is something that flows and that it is because of time we or anything else change. This concept of time has created a whole new concept in understanding nature and lots of scientists are working on the concept of time so that it may oneday be possible to control time. But to me, it seems like the concept of time itself has created lots of trouble in understanding the real truth of the nature. What my view is; is that the concept of time does not fit anywhere in understanding nature and that the concept of time travel would have been possible if time was there. We are all unconcious and are doomed by the fantasies of the world. What i view is that there is sometihing(not time) that is changing us and that it is not possible to bring those changes back. |
At any moment every individual in the universe is somewhere unique, compared to everyone else. That is what makes any moment unique.
Every time a moment passes a unique set of circumstances is lost forever. In the end you wish you had spent everyone of those moments doing more for others, standing for truth under God.
As George Washington was quoted "Nothing deserves your utter most patronage, more then the promotion of science and literature. Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness."
Sincerely,
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| We are all unconcious and are doomed by the fantasies of the world. |
Most people, that is.
Yes, time is a human fabrication in terms of how we usually perceive it.
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| What i view is that there is sometihing(not time) that is changing us and that it is not possible to bring those changes back. |
There is nothing changing us but the matter and energy around and inside us, which is impossible to escape.
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| There is nothing changing us but the matter and energy around and inside us, which is impossible to escape. |
I agree with you in some sense but why would the matter and energy change, i mean there must be something driving these changes. |
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| I agree with you in some sense but why would the matter and energy change, i mean there must be something driving these changes. |
Physical processes?
Time is just a concept made to measure change. That's it.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: time |
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| the concept of time has arisen from phenomenon like rotation and revolution of earth |
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There are numerous varying interpretations of time itself. Some believe time is a dimension, in which events occur in sequence; from this perspective time either runs at the same rate for all of the observers in the universe or the rate of the observer multiplied by a constant will give you the absolute time. This seems to correspond with absolute space, in which space is a field in which physical phenomena takes place and the space affects the physically observable occurrences but space itself is not impinged on. Every mathematical object has an absolute state of motion relative to absolute space, and is either at absolute rest or moving at an absolute speed of some contingency.
The opposing view is that time does not refer to any kind of container that events and objects move through, nor to any entity that flows, but that it is instead part of a fundamental structure together with space and numbers within which humans sequence and compare events. In accordance with this view is that time is not an event or a thing and so in itself is immeasurable.
There are the relativistic theorizations that the concept of time depends on the reference frame of the observer and the human perceptions as well as the measurement by instruments such as clocks are different for observers in relative motion.
If you look at space this way, you could see a light cone on a relativistic generalization with a future light cone on top, a past light cone of equal proportional quantification on bottom. The past and future light cones would be the absolute. Time in years would be a single definitive vertical line going through both future and past. Through the connecting light cones would be an expanded field: the hyper surface of present time. A diagonally intersecting line would be the exteriorization of the imposition of the observer on time itself. The past is the set of events that can send light signals to the observer, the future the events to which the observer can send light signals. All else is non-observable and within that set of events the very time-order differs for different observers.
As for time travel being a possibility, no one could really say thus far. Until enough agreeable evidence is accumulated for support it can’t be corroborated, but that doesn’t mean it can be ruled out. I don’t entirely agree that time travel makes sense either. For one, (in all probability) in order to travel through time you would have to travel at the speed of light; this in turn means you would have to have zero intrinsic mass and in this sense be photonic. I am at the hypothetical presupposition future travel could essentially follow the rules of nature. However, past travel gets into even more complications with contradictions in consistency within the constituents of space.
In my opinion, what you think is changing us is reality. The real universe is treated as a composite type of object known as a set. However, a set exists in space and time; reality does not. There is no space or time in which reality can exist because reality encompasses all that is real. A set A is a subset of a set B if A is "contained" inside B. Notice that A and B may coincide. There could be spatial and arithmetical sets. These would just be structured sets in an all-encompassing universe.
This relationship would be considered universally inclusive. Holistically, the universe is the infusion of structured sets and their elements pertaining to the all-containing universe. Observation is internally complex and is both a sensory and cognitive perception relative to physical phenomena within perceptibility. To some extent I believe there is a cognitive reality and there’s a whole reality (which is not able to be consciously tapped into). |
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| There is nothing changing us but the matter and energy around and inside us, which is impossible to escape. |
I agree with you in some sense but why would the matter and energy change, i mean there must be something driving these changes. |
Entropy. It is what is driving time in the forward direction. After every change in the universe, the entropy of the universe must increase.
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| Steve Miller |
| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: A brief thought on time..... |
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| newspaper wrote: |
| What we humans tend to think about time is that it is something that flows and that it is because of time we or anything else change. This concept of time has created a whole new concept in understanding nature and lots of scientists are working on the concept of time so that it may oneday be possible to control time. But to me, it seems like the concept of time itself has created lots of trouble in understanding the real truth of the nature. What my view is; is that the concept of time does not fit anywhere in understanding nature and that the concept of time travel would have been possible if time was there. We are all unconcious and are doomed by the fantasies of the world. What i view is that there is sometihing(not time) that is changing us and that it is not possible to bring those changes back. |
I do find your post a little unclear. Especially the last sentence. An other issue was folks often interpret something that was not really in, and, by doing so, themselves begin to start the struggle they complain about later on.
It's all wrapped nicely, but just don't look in, you know. There was absolutely nothing.
Then you seem to misunderstand something. Time was there, whereas time travel was not. 
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There is a clear difference between the everyday usage of the word "time" and the way in which it appears in physics. In physics, there is no use for the categories; past, present and future, but these concepts are deeply ingrained in everyday speech. I don't think there are any tenseless verbs, for example.
I sometimes think that one of the problems which arises in discussing time is that the language we use isn't able to express what we mean. St Augustine is supposed to have said something like; "If I think of time, I know what it is, but if I am asked to explain it, I can't! |
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| PritishKamat |
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No, usage of the word 'time' is the same . In physics, time is measured by events occurring in the universe, while, in everyday life, is is still based on events like rising of the sun, noon, etc.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: A brief thought on time..... |
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| Steve Miller wrote: |
It's all wrapped nicely, but just don't look in, you know. There was absolutely nothing. |
may be you need to read more time to get it. Hidden in it is a beautiful concept that just makes no sense to most of us.
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Then you seem to misunderstand something. Time was there, whereas time travel was not. |
I did't actually discuss if time was there. I only wanted to write that time as what we view is not what time is. and that it is far more complex than what we think it is. And looking at the current view of time: time travel just makes no sense.
sorry if it is still confusing  |
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